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Does this mean we dont get to be tracked, data mined, ad-bombed, and exploited while our teens dont get depressed and sick from "social" media?

Well, if thats the price we pay, thats the price we pay... :)

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Nice! Thank you EU for the GDPR!

For the next step, please let the companies that produce software be held accountable for damages. For Nonprofits change the target to associated companies. Also punish the people responsible, like the developers, for their software and choice of used libraries. If the library was insufficiently supported by the developer, then the developer has no ground to sue for damages themselves.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Also punish the people responsible, like the developers, for their software and choice of used libraries.

What??

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

You write shitty code and it breaks something? You should be punished accordingly.

You load libraries without checking each and every one and now something's broken? You should be punished accordingly.

You load proprietary code and now something's broken? You better checked the whole contract so you can punish the creators after you've been punished.

Software developers often have way more reach (over distance and over time) than they realize. They should be held accountable more like doctors or engineers.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

Could they withhold their existence while we're at it?..

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

Oh.... no... please.... do not do that...

Anyways

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

Oh no! Anyway...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

This escalation will continue,

until big-tech forces the governments to kneel to the surveillance-capitalism biggest:

They will simply say something like:

"Either your government removes laws, regulations, accountability, etc, from us,

XOR we are hamstringing your country: we OWN you, we POSSESS you, & you will obey OUR rule."

I guarantee this will be happening between now & 2036.

Remember how they can ratchet-up a genocide, anywhere??

They've already done so, in some places..

( Facebook & .. was it Myanmar? as 1 example )

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

I upvoted purely for using xor in regular speech

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

until big-tech forces the governments to kneel to the surveillance-capitalism biggest:

You think governments are resisting?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Governments without lobbying and revolving doors. Yes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Do you know what an optocoupler is? It's when there's no thermal or electric connection between parts, but the information gets transferred.

This is the same. Government officials don't have to officially communicate with businesses in corrupt ways or allow such "revolving doors".

They may communicate, well, face-to-face unofficially, get kickbacks.

And they also can do things mutually interesting for the business and the official without ever communicating about it, the economic interest is that communication in itself.

And then economic interests are just a subset of power interests. Like surveillance.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

oh no, not the products!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It’s too bad the websites that do this don’t have to put a label on it in the U.S. Something like “Not for consumption in the E.U.” to make people wonder what’s going on.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I’m struggling with this as a website operator. I don’t have any third-party tracking, no external assets, nothing and I’m dying to put up a cookie banner stating as such even though it’s totally unnecessary and annoying.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You do not have to put up a cookie banner when you are only using technically required ones ornnone at all. Make a dedicated cookies page in your footer and have a table with every cookie, their name, their description and use as well as how long they last.

If you have none, put that info on that page. All you need to do.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

That’s what I was saying: that it isn’t required but it would be nice to advertise I’m not doing anything shady.

Great advice on the cookie listing page though. I haven’t considered that.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago (1 children)
  • Apple reversed log standing design policy to put a USB C charger in the iPhone because not selling iPhones in Europe was not a financially viable option.

  • Apple won't launch their AI features in Europe because changing to comply with regulations is too hard

These features aren't that important then I guess?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago

This is a total win for Europeans.

Bring more Europe to the US. Lol

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago

We don't want your shitty products :)

[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 months ago (2 children)

"Meta has decided not to release a new multimodal AI model and related products in the EU.

The move follows a similar decision last month by Apple to withhold its new Apple Intelligence features from Europe."

Oh no. Wait. Come back.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

You're tearing me apart lisa!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

wow so they're holding back on wasteful broken products?Seems like win win

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

This just in: good time threatened. O no

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Does this mean we dont get to be tracked, data mined, ad-bombed, and exploited while our teens dont get depressed and sick from "social" media?

Nah you still get all of that but in a shitter product.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

May I introduce you to our friend and saviour, the GDPR regulations?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Nah, you can build algorithms that make depressed teenagers with little to no tracking. Especially if they can train said algorithms from data they already have from the rest of the world.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 4 months ago (3 children)

This is more bark than bite, imo. They're just threatening to withhold products at this point, but as the article points out:

  • Europe's a big market and profit focused companies aren't going to give that up just to make a point
  • Those that do will just encourage European competition to step up and fill whatever gaps might appear, which is just fine by the EU.

So... go right ahead. Let's see how this really plays out.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

"Don't threaten me with a good time"

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago

And the products they are threatening to withhold are exactly the products we don't want. Last time the tech giants threatened to leave entirely the EU asked when to plan the going away party. The current tactic from the giants isn't much better

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

Same argument for any case where cooperations bitch and whine about regulations.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

If the products or "products" being withheld are deemed useful by their users, you're bound to have someone filling the gap created by the butthurt tech giants leaving. Without all the associated data vulturing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If we're really lucky, those replacements might even become competition for the original products outside the EU, and drive the data vultures out of business.

(Something has to go right in this timeline eventually, right?)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

I feel like there's a good chance that this happens, as long as they catch inside the EU, due to network effect.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't say "capitalism", given that some of the alternatives filling the gap to be non-commercial in nature.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

Free market economy at its best

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