birth took place ten minutes prior to the tragic incident
Bro got spawn-killed
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Lots of heartless people in the comments who didn't read her side of this. Honestly, I sympathize with her almost entirely.
She didn't know she was pregnant. This is something that happens to women of her size sometimes. Not all pregnancies have the telltale symptoms. Sometimes you learn about your pregnancy as you're going into labor.
It's rare, but it absolutely happens.
She went from having a normal evening, to giving a natural birth alone in her apartment in a matter of about 20 minutes. She went from thinking she was having cramps to holding her newborn baby.
Within 10 minutes the baby had been dropped out of a window.
The amount of trauma this woman experienced, combined with the extreme and often immediate postpartum mental health issues, including psychosis, absolutely led to her making a completely irrational and tragic decision. I find it hard to swallow that she deserves punishment as if this were a long thought out plan to kill a child. This was a poorly handled crisis handled by a traumatized woman in a fugue state. She was not in a sound state of mind.
She doesn't deserve prison, she deserves compassion for what she's suffered and treatment for her mental ailments.
That they interrogated her and used her panic over her career against her as if she schemed to kill a child to further her career is honestly a disgusting angle to try to punish this woman. They opportunistically grilled a woman experiencing trauma so that they could throw the book at her.
She murdered a baby. She needs rehabilitation, help, sure, but it doesn't get much worse than baby killing, imo.
She was convicted of manslaughter, not murder. Even the courts that I am criticizing aren't going as far as you.
Regardless, whatever emotional response you have to the death of the baby shouldn't matter in comparison to the circumstances and motives leading to it.
Your zero-tolerance for "baby killing" is what lands women in prison for miscarriages.
Terrible attempt at a straw man at the end there, 2/10.
You're a fucking lawyer for a prestigious car brand. Surely hiring a god damn nanny was a better solution than child murder?
Take a week off, go to the hospital to get yourself and baby checked out. While in hospital, order a car seat. They'll probably give you some diapers and an outfit or blanket.
Then, when you leave the hospital, head to fire dept and place baby in the "need a baby, take a baby, have a baby, leave a baby" box.
I know you're being facetious, but this was in Germany where workers actually have rights to take a week off, and healthcare is freer than breadsticks.
That's sad that your first assumption was that I was joking because I said "take a week off" and "go to the hospital". Not a statement about you but about the state of things in some areas.
Though it's also sad that I silently assumed those weren't outlandish suggestions because she was a lawyer (though, as a Canadian, I did forget for a moment that "go to the hospital" might be a showstopper rather than the minimum level of care a parent who doesn't want their surprise baby should do before abandoning it at the fire dept).
The only part that I had intended as tongue in cheek was the "leave a baby, take a baby" bit. The comment was intended as a "this is a better way to handle this than dropping the baby out of the nearest window that doesn't involve having to take care of the baby at all, beyond a week of dealing with it with a minimum level of responsibly."
Alternatively, put the baby in a box with a towel, drop it off in a location where it can survive 5 minutes and call 911 to that location. Or call an adoption agency.
Let's set aside motive and treat this woman's obvious problem with her mental health. The last thing she needs is criminal proceedings and punishment that achieves nothing apart from getting conservative dicks hard.
Defence attorney Malte Hoech, 53, presented a contrasting view, arguing that the incident was a tragic accident. Hoech claimed Jovanovic was unaware of her pregnancy and overwhelmed by the sudden birth.
So your client is intelligent enough to earn a law degree and achieve a high rank at a prestigious multi-national, but too stupid to figure out she's preggers? Yeah, that's believable.
it actually is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neonaticide?wprov=sfla1 has a bit to say on it, but doesn't go too much into the root causes. The majority of cases as far as I understand it stem from the mother not wanting to accept that she is pregnant. This is a delusion, mind you, and if untreated, can have dire consequences as shown here. To mothers who are not adequately prepared for birth (because they, for whatever reason, have repressed their pregnancy), giving birth must be about as traumatizing as if I were to wake up tomorrow with a third leg (that wants to be fed).
The German-language coverage of this is also very hit and miss. most outlets, like here, put an emphasis on here being a Porsche lawyer, which is a) bending the truth somewhat for shock value (she's a contract counsel for their financing subsidiary iirc) and b) completely irrelevant, as other outlets point out that this pathological behavior does not know class boundaries.
Thanks for that very reasoned response
I've known some workaholics, And they can be pretty oblivious to everything that isn't in the lane of their work life. Their own health, already born children, basic life stuff, etc.. Also stress induced amenorrhea is a thing .
This psycho should absolutely go to prison. But it's possible she's at least being honest.
Interesting take. I'm open to it. Thanks.
Those speed runners find the weirdest bugs in the simulation
Holy fuck lol
Hmmm. It looks like Germany has fairly strict limits on the availability of abortion; it's on-demand up to 12 weeks, but requires mandatory counseling first. It seems like perhaps expanding abortion access to on-demand up to the point of realistic fetal viability and eliminating the counseling requirement might--might--have led to a different outcome here.
I wonder if she had attempted to terminate her pregnancy prior to this point?
For the people saying that she should have just adopted the infant: that's extremely difficult for someone to do, even if they know that they don't want a child or are not capable of caring for it. I've seen multiple teens end up keeping children that they didn't plan on, didn't want, and had no means to care for, all because they couldn't go through with an adoption in the end.
The government has called up an expert committee and asked for their opinion on potential reforms.
The report came in April, and it strongly suggests making it actually legal in the first 12 weeks (it is currently only decriminalized) and getting rid of the mandatory counseling. They leave it up to the lawmakers to deal with week 12 to 22 (where the fetus starts being able to sustain itself).
The government has not yet started on n implementing this, however.
If you can't stand to give your baby up, you're also not going to be willing to throw it out the window
I guess she didn’t think infanticide would hurt it? She’s clearly not a good lawyer.
This is sad, and it’s a shame the prosecutors are only going to be interested in a conviction. This woman is obviously suffering, and needs medical help for her postpartum depression.
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