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IMO, The US has crumbling infrastructure, corrupt government, dangerous cities, and a lot of homelessness, among so many other problems. Hell, millions of people in the US don’t even have power right now.

What’s the difference?

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[–] [email protected] 104 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

Have you ever lived in an actual third world country? Here’s some from my home country for each of your examples:

  • Corruption in government is worse and more blatant than what you see in the US. It happens at the top all the way down to the lowest levels. You sometimes have to bribe people just to get some services done. I once had to have a police report done for an auto accident. The officer had the report typed up and they just needed to click the print button. He then said I can pay a quick process “fee” to get the report now, or come back to get the report in 3 days. It was an hour drive to the station, but I didn’t want to pay a bribe, so I came back after 3 days.

  • Infrastructure is crumbling not just because of lack of maintenance, but because the cheapest materials are used and infrastructure is not built up to code. Every step of the process means a cut for someone’s own pockets, so you end up with a tiny amount compared to what was initially funded. Perfectly functioning roads are destroyed and rebuilt in perpetuity because contractors are in cahoots with local government to implement “projects” where they fleece funds by agreeing on a budget then switching materials to substandard quality and pocketing the remaining amount, with the politician getting a % of course. A section of the street in my childhood home is still unpaved 30+ years later just because no one bothered to finish it.

  • Homeless people in the US may still have access to food banks, shelters, charities, etc. Homeless people in thrid world countries may have nothing at all.

  • People lose power in the US due to catastrophies. We had random 12 hour blackouts and water shut-offs several times a month for no reason at all. Water isn’t potable in the entire country and you have to boil or buy water from filter stations if you want to be safe.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago

Because the definition of "first world" is "aligned with the US during the Cold War", second world was aligned with the USSR, third world were countries not significant on the global stage. It correlates with but does not require poverty or dictatorships.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Because of very high GDP per capita. It's another discussion whether GDP is a reliable measure of economy output.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago

Add political violence to your list.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Where are you getting this from?

[–] [email protected] 44 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

If you mean “developped” vs “develloping”.

The HDI of the US is significantly lower than canada or northern europe, but still much higher than the world average.

Here’s an Inequality Adjusted version of the Human Development index, the US comes 27th, below Estonia and Cyprus, but 27th out of nearly 200 is counted as “develloped”.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_countries_by_inequality-adjusted_Human_Development_Index&diffonly=true

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Because the "third world" doesn't mean what people think it means. It's cold war terminology. First World is western aligned nations, Second World is Eastern bloc, Third World is nonaligned with the eastern or western nations. FBFW it meant nations that generally weren't powerful or wealthy enough to be of interest to either East or West, and that poverty often meant they really had a lot of infrastructure and other problems. That's why we're not "Third World", it's a geopolitical alignment, not a quality of how we treat our citizens and infrastructure. So we're First World even if our country is turning into a shithole in some ways.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (9 children)

It's mostly the stable government, infrastructure, currency and tech.

Pretty much why I've been calling the US a 3rd world country for years.

Your"IMO" aren't opinions; those are the facts, jack

IMO, no country that primarily uses toilet paper instead of a bidet is 1st world.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Because the majority of old people are rich and there are still the echoes of a real middle class. Let's see if Trump gets elected and everyone with the cash to do so flees his outrageous proposed tariffs.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

Languages evolve over time, all dictionaries now have OPs use of the word as the first definition.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (4 children)

What definition and what dictionary?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I guess I still go by the original definition. There are other words that offer more detail anyway - kakistocracy, gerontocracy, corporatocracy, kleptocracy, etc.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Developing countries would be the synonym for third world in the definition used by OP.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

The Gucci belt

[–] [email protected] 52 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Because the actual definition of a 3rd world country doesn't define the USA as one...that's why. You're adding things that don't fall into the definition.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I’m not trolling, I’m genuinely asking. What doesn’t fall into the definition of a third world country?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago

Third world actually came from the cold war. There were the two major sides, but then there was a whole bunch of countries that weren't really on either side. A whole "third world". Of course, a lot of those countries were poor, so the term came to be associated with that, but there really isn't a coherent definition of what it means to be a third world county. It has never really been about the standard of living for the average citizen though. More about whether a country is a bully or the bullied on the international stage, and we all know where the US falls on that spectrum.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)
  • 1st world = US, NATO, and their allies.
  • 2nd world = USSR, China, the Warsaw Pact, and their allies.
  • 3rd world = everyone else.

e.g. Switzerland would be a 3rd world country by the original definition.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's a cold war term - basically, first world is the US and capitalist countries, second world is the Soviet and communist countries, and third world are the unaffiliated.

It's slightly more nuanced than that, but that's the basic summary.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I 100% agree; the thing is they measure this stuff by the mean so a few outliers (rich districts or billionaires) make things look reasonable by number.

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