Is this the beginning of civil war?
this post was submitted on 02 Jul 2024
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I always think these movies end being used as instruction manuals.
sitting president has now effectively a licence to kill.
Just think about how many wars they have started: They had this license all the time!
Wars are against foreigners not US citizens. Not against the flag and the constitution it represents.
Domestic case law for will need to test their ruling.
Wars are against foreigners not US citizens.
Always a riddle to me how Usamericans do not respect basic human rights of all other people in the world. For example, the right to live.
Regarding our example here: your distinction seems a bit meaningless because ordering a war means not only ordering the death of other people in the world. War is always against more than one party. It means also ordering the death of Usamerican people, soldiers and probably civilians.
Usamericans
Lol. That was 2007. I feel so old.
Remember, the wars are fought against brown people, and US soldiers are poor people. Both of these groups are perfect raw materials for the military industrial complex to convert into profit.
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don't be ridiculous; it says official acts, so he can't bring a gun himself.
he has to use seal team 6 instead. see? democracy isn't dead!
For the record, that would be an illegal order and should be refused by everyone involved in the military chain.
(Whether or not it is refused is a different matter.)
They sent back the question of what is an official act. And when the judge comes back with something like “official acts are those in which a president is acting in an official capacity as the president to fulfill obligations and duties of the president.” (IANAL….so there’s probably some anal retentive detail that is super critical in missing)
In any case, when challenging the election, that is not an official act- that was something done by Trump-the-candidate.
Inviting foreign dignitaries, however frequently is. (But probably not when selling out America and other spies to keep compromat from leaking)
Organizing an insurrection in the US never is, however.
I’m alarmed by the alarm in the dissent- they probably know where this is going, but POTUS has enjoyed some immunity anyhow as far as official acts go. And when it’s kept to a reasonable understanding… that’s more or less good.
Their alarm suggests that the majority here is not going to have a reasonable understanding when that gets appealed.
Reasonable
Who's to say what's reasonable.
when challenging the election, that is not an official act
Why not? He could make the argument that the election was stolen and ignoring it is in the best interest of the United states.
Why not? He could make the argument that the election was stolen and ignoring it is in the best interest of the United states.
because that act is not POTUS's job. He's making the argument as a candidate. he's not supposed to be part of that process because he's biased.
as for whose to say what's reasonable.... that is the problem. right now a dangerous number of SCOTUS are bought and paid for, or are absolutely partisan hacks.
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It's very clear this will be abused, most notably by letting Trump off the hook for his insurrection. That's why there's huge alarm.
He's the commander in chief, ordering a seal team or the CIA to assassinate someone is an official act and legal now. What you fail to mention in your haste to try to downplay this is that they also made it impossible to present evidence of crimes by the president, so any non-public action by the president is de facto legal. It would be impossible to prosecute because even if you gathered evidence he ordered the hit, you couldn't use it in court.
Yes, it's that bad. No, it's not that people are over reacting.
Read Sotomayor's dissent, she says explicitly that this gives the president legal immunity against assassinations.
"As an official act as President, I have issued an Executive Order that I blast Trump in the face."
Boom, checkmate libruls
For official business
His own devotion to ineffectiveness.
What is stopping BIDEN??? I'd say empathy and a good set of morals. Regardless of if you think he's fit to be president, I think nobody sane would argue that he's a good man. He's a good person. Even if he could do so consequence free, HE wouldn't.
The question is, what's stopping the next president with no morals? And that's a far more chilling scenario.
Empathy and morals would mean putting the country above his personal convictions...
Grip strength
His wrist would break, but it might be worth it.