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So it's no secret that some parts of the army in the USA and my country (UK) sometimes use legacy software like DOS for niche roles as they're robust including older versions of Windows.

But.. where does Linux fit in this? It's a kernel OS that's used in top of the line supercomputers, workstations, medical equipment and weather stations.

I imagine some aspects of this would be military secrets but how do they use it? I know that Linux was used for certain space projects with NASA but I'm talking about army applications.

TLDR : Does the penguin OS power shooty shooty machines and tanks

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago
[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Didn't they at one point use a bank of PS3s when they still allowed for Linux boot options?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

I'm not sure about the military, but yes a number of researchers used PS3s for cheap computing power.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 4 months ago

A picture is worth a thousand words,

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

We used it as OS for the tank and airplane simulators, just because it made them cheaper compared to buying 500 Windows licenses

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I imagine they use it in much the same way as any enterprise. Running servers and workstations, mostly.

F16's run Kubenetes clusters.

Lots of individual bits of hardware on specialized devices will be running embedded operating systems. QNX is big in automotive for the same reasons it'd work on a rocket.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Also big in healthcare/medical products,btw.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'm not so worried about stormtroopers using linux as much as guns, bombs, prisons, cops, torture, genocide, nukes, etc.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

When I was in the army the S1 desk jockeys were using dedicated word processors with 8" floppies. Get off my lawn! :-)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Knowing what the army is like, that could have been in 2010 lol

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Turkish military uses Pardus, a Turkish Linux distro, but I'm not sure to what extent.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Linux distro NixOS is used by mil-tech company Anduril

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I've heard of Palantir, now Anduril... What's next, Saruman Ltd.? Uruk-Hai-corp? Poor Tolkien doesn't deserve his mythology being co-opted by war profiteers. :(

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

BTW: Anduril is a startup from Luckey Palmer, the guy that built the Oculus VR headset in his garage. The later sold Oculus to Meta for 2 billion $. 3 ex Palantir guys started Anduril together with him.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Looks like that are switching over from a generic Linux into android

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Check out the World of Tanks forums for information.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Oh you got a good chuckle out of me

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Most of that information is actually publicly available.

Stuff like this https://www.usaspending.gov/search/?hash=624182a957cfea14bc90717fb91ec1f8

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Why are you asking? Yes it is used but obviously the exact systems are kept secret. As far as I know it is a mixed environment. I do know the US Air Force uses Kubernetes

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

I ask because using the funni penguin kernel in a weapons grade equipment is funny

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I saw a youtuber once reviewing the distro that the Russian military uses. It had some crusty retro desktop environment iirc.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Tvwm ought to be good enough for anyone!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

Well I know my local army base (US) was looking for Linux sys admins, so I figure they have some servers on base.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It depends on what side you are on. At the end of the day a tool is a tool

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I said such things too, but one day I ask myself, could I said it in front of people bombed by my tools ? Our tools are not neutral things, but produce and distribute by social relationship that we could fight. Sorry but we the rise of fascism and ecological disaster we could not afford to give up our power as producer to mass murderer

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Okay but at the end of the day it's not like you're Tony Stark making Jericho missiles.

Linux, encryption, the Internet, heck, computers, are so generalized as a technology that the burden of sin lies with whomever would pervert these tools against their fellow man.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

I am not sure this is a wide spread behavior among the IT. Reading the "Debian Free Software Guidelines", we could have some doubts. My point is not that free software are good or bad, but that is not enough. If we want te be responsible as producers, we have to organize as such to stop production that killing us (with climat change or military for example) and promote the one that emancipate us. Free software are a way to achieve the last one, unions the fist one

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (3 children)

There are many reasons Microsoft software is only "good" (and I'm using that word loosely) in business and home settings. Can you imagine a rocket taking off and windows suddenly "rebooting to complete updates" (or whatever it is that it says along those lines)?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Running a full OS on a rocket? Why? It's mostly some embedded stuff, some kind of arduino.

The launching platform though... maybe a minimalist OS with a curses interface.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

That's a real brain fuck. Now I need to go research this.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Rockets probably use a dedicated OS that is safety validated. Getting something validated for critical operations is a massive endeavor.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Not only is it hard to get certified for things like rockets but they usually use a realtime os like red hawk (a red hat fork).

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Correct, missiles use something like RTEMS, which is named because it was used for missiles (no really, it originally stood for Real Time Executive for Missile Systems) and the operating demands for missiles have to be real-time given their unique edge cases.

Disclaimer: I worked on RTEMS in College

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'll watch it right now and come back. BRB.

Edit: now I have to "arrr" that series and watch it. 🤣🤣

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