I think this is fucking awesome. Complete win for all of us hoping for better and more affordable EVs.
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What does VW get out of this?
VW is good at making cars, but bad at software. They've had to delay the introduction of new models (Golf, ID.3) because of software issues. Rivian has sort of the opposite problem: their production lines sit still often because of problems in the supply chain.
Volkswagen has the expertise to solve Rivian's production and supplier problems, and the cash they will need to survive and develop some cheaper models (the EV market is stagnating right now for a lack of budget options, and Rivian only sells trucks and SUVs). And they're hoping Rivian software engineers can help them fix their software woes.
Volkswagens EV platform is a mess because the CEO responsible for the pivot to EV within VW, was only allowed to implement it if he stopped being the CEO. So the next guy half assed the 80B$ pivot to EV, leading to VW being one of the worst performers amongst EV producing OEMs.
So now they are on the market to buy whatever is needed to get them out of the hot mess they created themselves.
PIVOT!!
mommy mommy why are we going in circles?
shut up or i'll nail your other foot to the floor!
Greenwashing.
Mixed feelings, I like VW but I don't really like Rivian.
I’m in the opposite camp. What are the reasons you don’t like Rivian? (I don’t like VW because we had not one, but two vehicles caught up in Dieselgate. They’re dead to me. Which is a shame because I really liked them.)
For what it's worth, all automakers had illegally high emissions (well apart from Tesla I guess). This is something I never see people bring up.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_emissions_scandal
VW wasn't even close to being the worst for it (surprisingly they were among the least bad). They were just the first to be tested, and their leadership owned up to breaking the law immediately, meaning news media could happily call them out without fear of a libel/slander case.
VW alone took the PR hit for an entire shady industry.
I wasn’t actually so mad at first. They bought back our smaller cheaper car and we felt very compensated. But for the second car, which was much bigger and more expensive, they only offered a “fix” which they said wouldn’t affect performance (yeah right), and a small amount in restitution. It felt like a slap in the face. In hindsight I would have gone about things differently but let’s just say that I have little to no faith in the way our justice system works anymore due to how we decided to proceed after that, and we will never buy a car from VW ever again.
Meanwhile, we actually replaced those cars with Teslas. And now we feel like we’re kind of back in the same place, having given money to a company that is pretty shit. We try to vote with our wallets as much as possible but there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, after all. It’s just really depressing and disheartening and makes me not want to buy anything anymore.
I mean they also own like half the industry. So, I don't feel particularly bad for them to be honest.
VW doesn't own a single one of the other brands on that list.
Yea but many of them were involved. The Audi CEO at the time was on the board making the decision and the first to be convicted.
Well yeah I don't feel bad for any big company when bad stuff happens to them (well, within reason, I obviously don't want massive layoffs and people left unemployed).
My point isn't to be an apologist for VW, my point is that the others are just as bad, and plenty are even worse, yet they got away with it. They shouldn't have.
Don't worry, I don't think you are. I just think there's a reason they admitted so easily. Probably just another calculated fallout to save all their other brands from their own mini backlash which would ultimately cause more damage.
But yes, the whole industry is a dumpster fire when it comes to regulations and also lobbying.
Rivian’s CEO looks like if Steve O was sober in the early 2000’s
He seems like a cool dude tho, at least going off the interviews of him I've seen.
90% sure I saw this guy at a Margaritaville in Palm Springs. Looked exactly like him, had a lanyard and had some sort of assistant walking with him.
Hey I drive by there every week for work. I fucken hate that intersection its on.
Um wow!
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The joint venture will be co-owned by Rivian and VW Group, which oversees brands like Audi, Porsche, Lamborghini, and its flagship Volkswagen.
The new venture was announced in a post from Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe, who noted the investment will help the company bring its next generation R2 electric vehicle to market starting in 2026.
VW Group CEO Oliver Blume said all of the company’s brands could benefit from the partnership with Rivian, including potential competitor Scout Motors, which is planning to launch a new lineup of electric trucks in the US.
The plan was to use Rivian’s battery pack and electric motor setup in a Ford or Lincoln branded SUV.
Asked whether the deal would make Rivian the exclusive partner to VW and its brands, Scaringe declined to answer directly.
“In the context of the joint venture, we have certainly talked about the ability to work on other products or private programs outside of the Rivian or Volkswagen Group portfolio,” he said.
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