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I'm so tired of people not telling this old bunch of shit sacks to fuck off. I'd have so much respect for any threatened tRump victim if they just told him the fuck off after shits like that.

Narrator: It won't.

You can't get enough people to vote for your cause, but you can get enough people to fight and die for it?

Even if your vanguard does win, what do you do with the people who don't agree with your methods after the dust settles? What lengths will you go to I order to "protect" the revolution?

Well of course. He's charismatic, young and he talks to the people he wants to represent. He's the antithesis of everything they are.

Or it's not, and that's the problem. The organised rightwing forces of state repression can easily push around a left that's been trained and groomed to function as entirely beholden to corporate sponsors and big money donors.

...to the point it's now visible and blatant that the establishment left cannot stand and legitimately claim even the possibility they are the solution.

Because the solution is something more revolutionary that will cause bloodshed and more regular interruptions to people's daily lives.

So of course, keep your head down, hope none of this effects you. Ignore that it already has. The dems will fix it later, ect....

It's understandable to ignore the civil war even though it's not rational to.

Terrorists (freedom fighters) are made as needed, they're not born ready. Trump's administration will be looking to stay under that threshold.

Viva la revolución

There are only nine meals between mankind & anarchy. -Alfred H. Lewis

I think people are more pissed off and divided than they have been in a very long time. It's hard to say how close we are to a civil war, though. There's been a lot of propaganda for a long time saying "violence is not the answer" (even though sometimes it is), and "violence has no place in our system of government" (even though the government abuses its own monopoly on violence to imprison and kill innocent, peaceful people).

It feels like the media in the US is less reliable than it's ever been in my lifetime, and would probably suppress as much as possible any information that would support open rebellion.

I am very skeptical of the notion we are anywhere near an actual shooting war despite all the turmoil. Both sides would have waaaay too much to lose, especially red states, which derive huge amounts of funding from blue states (basically, blue states provide federal revenue while red states tend to use it up).

At the moment at least, people have too high a degree of comfort to actually get off their asses and start physically fighting. Things would probably have to get a lot worse before we really see that happen.

I predict with immigration crack downs we'll eventually see some more resistance to that. At some point, either by ambush or chance occurrence, ICE agents will be attacked and possibly killed. Trump will horrifically overstep in his response. Then it will just be escalating responses.

Not very close, despite the online rhetoric. Life continues and our feudal lords play their games.

If things continue to get worse and another lunatic succeeds Trump, I think talk of secession will start to gain more traction in the West. But even then, it would take something really major (and not something the Lemmy politics crowd considers major, but something that actually snaps average liberals out of their comas) to garner enough support for it to actually occur.

Western secession would be an uphill battle; it's just as likely we'd lose an armed conflict with the rest of the country, and an all-out war would be absolutely terrifying.

There likely won't be bloodshed until the president is assassinated.

It's not even close

Eh, bread and circuses. People are still relatively comfortable and complacent.