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Here’s Rowan’s original article since I couldn’t find a link in the actual article.
All of the points he makes are good ones, IMHO. The one about three year leases is especially good, and something the government could act on right now. There’s no reason to ditch a car after three years. Both of my cars are almost a decade old and will probably keep running for another decade with good maintenance.
I wish I had enough money to afford to buy a new car, I probably wouldn't do it because affordable would still mean living paycheck to paycheck. Not sure why I would want a second mortgage on something that depreciates that quickly.
I don’t want a new car. They lose most of their value the first time you start them up, and then continue losing value quickly. And then there’s the emissions of manufacturing and transportation.
Plus there aren’t any new cars that don’t have features I actively don’t want, like sending my usage information back to the manufacturer.
Both cars I own are about 9 years old and I plan on keeping them until they’re more expensive to fix than another used car.
On what the article touches, he is not wrong. Buying a new car, even if it's an electric one, will have more impact than a lot of time using a gasoline one, especially if the country doesn't produce electricity in a sustainable way.
Also, if you want to help the environment, you shouldn't be replacing cars, but removing them, public transportation, and walkable cities are so much better in this regard.
I'm not one to side with a bigot, but this is just pathetic.. He makes perfectly valid points, if EV manufacturers want to prove him wrong, maybe they should be doing a better job (or admitting that shifting from one type of car to another isn't the solution to all of our problems, but simply a way for the auto industry to continue to make profits off of "solutions" to the destruction they've had a massive part in creating).
A bigot?
Well, Mr. Atkinsons stance is not really off. EVs are still in their infancies, and need to get out of puberty before they are really useful and affordable.
Charging infrastructure is another huge bottle neck. I don’t have a charging station anywhere near my home, so even if I had an EV, I wouldn’t be able to charge it anywhere.
Then there’s also the grid. If everyone were to plug in their EVs in the afternoon, that would overload the grid beyond its capacity.
He suggested solutions like drivers keeping the same car for longer periods of time
That's what i have been doing... Is that wrong, or just too much anti-consumerism to be presented as a good thing in our society?
Yeah, i'm driving a 20+ year old car and while i feel guilty about the higher emissions older design have, it's still run and in awesome shape. Got talked by my ex for still using an old car, but meh, if it still run it still run.
Definitely getting an electric car next though, if i ever have that budget. Even then the local electricity production is still not ready for clean energy.
He's right honestly, cars, especially electric cars, produce a large portion of their CO2 emissions when they are manufactured.
We would all be better off if people kept their "gas guzzlers" but only used them rarely. A car in a garage has zero co2 emissions.
They offset all those emissions by the time they've reached like 80k km in places where electricity is produced using coal (compared to a gas vehicle that increases its total emissions as time goes) so no, he's not right actually.
That's not even taking into consideration the wear on emission equipment and cars age.
If most people replace their cars every three years they're not getting to 80,000 km before they buy a new one.
Do they though?
And it's not as if these cars were sent to the scraper, they're sold on the used market and replace gas cars.
According to Mr. Bean's original article, that's the average length of car ownership in Britain due to the prevalence of three year leases.
And it doesn't matter if they're going on the used market because there's still another new car getting built that doesn't have to be.
Yeah, this is the industry blaming a famous person for making sense.
Replacing the gas guzzlers with EVs would be great, but the cost/benefit ratio isn't there. If you need a new car and can afford an EV, get one.
Car manufacturers need to do more to make EVs more affordable. They need to do a better job making their argument that they are good cars with significant environmental benefits.
They won't, because they still want to sell gasoline cars.
Conversions are another option that just aren't being used because of red tape. The paperwork takes nearly as much work as the actual conversion.
Anti-consumerism is bad because it would expose the fact that our economy is overproducing shit we don't need, so we would need a massive reorganization of society. You can tell who that is bad for.
No it's not wrong. Hell, I drive EV and lots of people ask me about it, And of course I'd love if more people did it, to cut down on fossils, but realistically it's always a financial decision, so I honestly tell them "If you already have a car, and don't need a new car, then it's a bad financial decision to buy a new car."
However, when you do need a new car, then it's likely a good decision to buy an EV, but you need to run the numbers if you want to know for sure. There are a lot of factors in this, some of which are dependent on your own personal milage and finances and others on where you live and what is available.
If you do run all the numbers for the duration of ownership, it's likely always a good decision to buy a new EV in comparison to ICE cars, and the thing that made my decision was that in my case, it wouldn't even make sense to buy the cheapest beater car, because over the years that I expect to drive this car, it's cheaper to buy a new EV than to exchange and/or repair older ICE cars. But I'm sure it varies. You gotta have some idea of how much you need to drive for the next 5 years, and most people probably don't.
Atkinson is sort of right in advising people to hold out a while. The prices are dropping and in just a few years, it won't even be a question. However I also understand the criticism, because as a public figure he should not be passing out blanket statements like that. There are likely people who will not buy an EV now because of his statement, even if it's against their own self interest.
I’m holding on the the car I bought in 2019 until I can do an electric conversion on it.
I don’t need a NEW car.
Me too, my car is 10 years old, all paid, I only have 83'000 miles on it, yeah I changed brakes/rotor and a couple of stuff mainly in suspension/linkage because of pothole... but that's it.
Seymour Skinner 'Am I out of touch?' meme:
Public figures should be held accountable for false statements.
I think in general we should hold people accountable for the things they say, but have you read what Atkinson wrote? He didn't lie, he presented his opinion and recommendation. I disagree with some of what he said, but I understand where he's coming from.
Not to mention he makes a point of putting his credentials at the top of the article. He's got education and experience that are informing his opinions, and he made them in a reasonable way without attacking anyone else.
If the government listened to his feedback and took steps to mitigate it - like making leases be a minimum of five years rather than three - it would be one thing. But they're just dismissing everything he says.
You see what an absolute shit show that would be? Banning people for opinions the government decide are false historically doesn't go well
No. Make political parties accountable for the rambling of their MPs.