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[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (7 children)

This is basically like saying combustion vehicles could last nearly forever if you replaced the engine every now and then

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago

Car manufacturers:

[–] [email protected] 162 points 7 months ago (6 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

My grandparents had one of those old locking fridges from the 50s or so. It weighed like a metric ton, but that fucker NEVER broke.

[–] [email protected] 109 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

Will use 4x as much electricity though, ugh.

https://www.cleanenergyresourceteams.org/your-old-refrigerator-energy-hog

Anyone know of any refrigerators today that are as durable as older ones and have today's efficiencies, but without the smart features and other junk?

Average refrigerator today still lasts 13 years though, and while they're made cheaply they also are cheaper (at least as a portion percentage of the average paycheck).

https://reviewed.usatoday.com/dishwashers/features/ask-the-experts-why-dont-new-home-appliances-last

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (17 children)

I've heard that in the US fridges are generally different, with stuff like active fans and nonsense like that. Is that true?

Because every fridge I've seen in Europe is mechanically extremely basic and I've literally never seen or even heard of one breaking. In my experience fridges are one of the only things that have remained phenomenally simple in design and extremely unlikely to break.

If someone told me their fridge broke, I'd genuinely assume they were lying. That's how reliable they are.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Friend of mine bought an EV. Didn't even last a month. He landed in a tree.

[–] [email protected] 93 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Goddamn planned obsolescence.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Yeah, got launched when drifting off the road

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Then the wheels just fell off. Stupid woke EVs are built to fail.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Usually they build them so the wheels don't fall off.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago (4 children)

What was the issue? Do you know?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Lost consciousness for a bit. Unknown why.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

I think the tree didn't give way when it should have and damaged it a bit, hard to tell though

[–] [email protected] 61 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Handing out driving licences like they were sweets instead of actually testing people's ability to drive, maybe?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This is often the issue. Not in this case though. He had his license for 24 years, while driving from the south of Germany to the Netherlands back and forth twice a month. He never had an accident before.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Probably turned off traction control and floored it. EVs have some pretty solid acceleration and weight a bit more than their ICE counterparts.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Nope, he drove 80km/h with traction control, but lost consciousness somehow. No lines on the road (out in the German countryside) so no line assist. Car went straight when there was a very mild turn, so he drove off the road, into some uphill ridge whi h launched him, woke up when flying through the air after which he landed in a bunch of trees. This is where he landed. He luckily only had 4 broken ribs.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

That sucks I hope he's good.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm sure if we spend enough time working on it, we can figure out how this is all OPEC's fault. /s (jeeze tho I hope your friend was okay!)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

He luckily only has 4 broken ribs.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 7 months ago (2 children)

What about it's batteries?

They are still chemical so they wouldn't last forever.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Yes, the batteries would need to be replaced but that means designing them to be replaced.

Unlike the Tesla model Y which built the battery into the frame and filled it with foam so that it absolutely cannot get replaced. Musk said the way to replace the battery is to send the entire car to the scrap yard and recover the lithium from the shredder.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Batteries can be replaced. An EV that could run 1 million miles would still need maintenance - I think the point is that they could be designed to last.

Planned obsolescence is so wide spread we don't even notice it, but lots of products are designed to fail either through cheaper components or deliberately flawed design. That means we have to go and buy a replacement. It is also generally cheaper.

So we either have cheap products that will break or seemingly expensive products but they last for a very long time. But in the long run the cheap products generally cost you more to buy than one expensive product.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I don't think the wider population would accept the compromises necessary for a million miles vehicle. There is always a balance between component longevity, cost, performance, features, and safety.

They can exist but I don't forsee wide adoption due to it being wildly expensive and/or bare bones in terms of contemporary features.

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[–] [email protected] 131 points 7 months ago (6 children)

forever cars no make profit line go up

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

I haven’t even read the article yet, and my cynical ass came to the same conclusion based on the headline. 😣

[–] [email protected] 52 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Time to make a billion dollars on something else, then start up a car company designed to fail. No investors, design a car for a 60-70k buying price, few bells and whistles, but built to last indefinitely with basic maintenance. Start the company planning to practically close it down just after the last preorder customer has their car delivered and become a maintenance company with a few employees to make replacement parts and install them. If demand rises, redesign for the new times, ramp up and do it all again.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago

"Why do you hate freedom? And America? And puppies? And apple pie?" -Republicans, probably

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