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I miss forums... Reddit got the hold on that genre now. Nothing, not even this Lemmy can rival it. People mention Tumblr and Quora as Reddit alternatives but hell no they're not the same. Tumblr especially makes me cringe, seems so furry infected everywhere.

It used to take hours to find anything and it was so satisfying when I finally found it. Typically, I started the search and usually I would end up on a forum or a newgroup. Read for a bit, go back to the search engine with a refined term which leads me to another forum/newgroup/website. No way do I have patience for that today.

MU*s (MUSH, MUCK, MUSE; take your pick)

One of the more memorable moments was being on TOS Trekmuse when MacGyver, the owner of it (who worked for a studio), got some of the actual Trek cast to play their TV characters.

But beyond that, it was just pure fun playing those old Text based roleplay games. Sometimes the RP was serious, sometimes we were laughing hysterically in OOC chat, but it was always fun and it kept my typing, grammar, vocabulary and creative writing skills sharp. I miss it.

Usenet.

A huge portion of websites were labors of love, just someone putting something up as a joke or doing a deep dive into a hobby. Nobody was shopping online in large numbers so there were basically no ads, no SEO, no listicles, no influencers.

Usenet forums, and this application I had that tracked my request along the path it took - it was a map of the big pipes of the internet, the highways; I would search or send an email or whatever then could open this program to see the literal path it took to the destination computer. If I was on the college proxy server it would use different 'roads' than if I was on the account I had through the phone company. It was fascinating.

I don't miss everything being difficult to accomplish.

This. https://youtu.be/3KXF423TEwY?si=n8ExMrJJRQQHLjIP

This is the early internet - a self hosted, bunch of regular people just doing stuff for stuff's sake.

Also https://www.cockeyed.com - decentralized, zero budget fun.

In some ways, the low-medium technical barrier was perfect. If you could do some basic html or PHP, you were a creator.

Social media was so good back then. Livejournal was a total joy and I have my friends from there to this day. It was basically free therapy even if it was way cringe to read years later.

Just searching for song names on Yahoo let you find downloadable MP3s.

My memories of the early Internet were a little earlier. I hope this is ok hearing from a geezer. My first memories of the Internet were from the late 1980s as a young university student. I somehow managed to score a Unix account on the mainframe.

1. Email, and sending & receiving to Listserves. I kept hoping my girlfriend at a different university could get connected, but it never came to be.

2. Comedy by email through The Internet Oracle. I was one of the "priests" (editors) of the service for a while. Basically you would send an anonymous email (!!!) to the service that would be sent out to people, and your get a random question out of it, to answer in a humorous manner.

3. I remember the incredible mind-blowing feeling when I first discovered Internet Relay Chat in about 1988. It was an all text interface, pre-windowed environment.

4. I still miss Usenet forums.

Geocities. That's how I lerned HTML. Used their WYSIWYG editor and then tinkered with the code. Built several pages close to my interest, and even scored some free stuff from marketing early online retailers like CDNow.

Also spent a lot of time browsing other Geocities pages and contacting people with shared interest.

It was separate from real life. Like, you had to make a conscious decision to “go online”, because otherwise you were always offline. Now it’s harder to be offline. I guess I’m saying I miss the days where we weren’t expected to always be reachable. The phone and the internet were at home.

Not every single last gonk was online. It was mostly nerds who had something interesting to share. So many different places to go to...

It used to be exciting. They weren’t trying to earn money with every click and game the system. You got to explore the world and meet interesting people. I miss that, it’s all a lot of anger and social bubbles now.

I really like the age of discovery description. Every web site was different and there was web design web sites where designers tried to impress eachother and really push what was possible to do.

There was hardly any corporations on the web. There was some ads in the beginning but ironically enough, Google built their empire on having a clean search page without ads, which made people flock to them.

See where we are now...

I still have the same mindset though. I build open source projects and use mostly open source technologies. I'm not interested in making money from any of that. Money is from work, not from passion.

There wasn't anything resembling influencers, and mostly you were talking to other nerds.

People were much more technically savvy, and creating their own homepages with guestbooks and construction gifs.

A lot of this thread is hugely familiar and a nice memory.

I'll just add one little thing I remember from 96/97ish, the "... ate my balls" phenomenon. I guess nowadays you'd call it a meme format.

The gist of it was that you would take some cultural icon/celebrity/whatever and add their name to the phrase "...ate my balls".

For some reason I remember this as being hilarious at the time. Not so much when recounted in the here and now though :-)

Having been online when the web was invented, I remember an internet where people simply trust each other. Mail servers acceped mail for anyone without authentication, you could upload files to public servers without problems, and if you needed a machine to host something, you asked around for someone letting you do this. Imagine that today!

SPAM still was processed meat and not the bane of your inbox. It actually had not been invented then! No ads, no cookies, no subscriptions, no paywalls. OK, ordering pizza online was not a thing yet, too.

When you did something stupid because you were new, someone took you by the hand and educated you (eiter not to do it all, or do it the right way), and you learned to be a good netizen.

People used their real names, and even posted where they were from on Usenet. There was a sense of community and there was a term -- netequitte -- that described how we would act towards one another. If you used a handle, watch out, you might be a troll, and you certainly weren't going to be immediately trusted and had to build your reputation.

Replies went below the body, not above it, and everybody hated Microsoft Outlook for unilaterally deciding that replies go at the top of a message. Similarly, people hated WebTV users for just bringing the level of discourse to the gutter.

Web forums were fast and also a good place for community, kind of a gateway from Usenet to modern discussion forums. When people passed away we would all attend the funerals or whatever if we were close. There were 56k warnings in the subject line if a post had embedded images.

In the metal scene, maybe other places too, you would trade CDs. So like you had a burner and someone else had a burner and you would swap copies of CDs that you had for something they had. So you could build an entire huge collection of CDs and demo tapes cheaply. There were trading lists and people had reputations and who was reliable, who was a rip-off, and who was an idiot for burning 256kbps MP3s and selling them as CD quality (yes, you could tell a difference back then; something we still haven't recovered from now that everyone is streaming). If you didn't have anything to trade, you would pay like $8 for a CD. Black Friday 2000 was huge because burners only cost a couple hundred dollars that week, so it was a wise investment.

Sometimes the traders of new music were the band members themselves, and that was always fun to find out. I got Sons of Northern Darkness from a guy who was in the studio. I got a copy of another highly respected album from the bassist of that band who just wanted people to hear it. They would just mail it your house and you would receive a CD in an envelope with chicken scratch handwriting on it.

When Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia was leaked in the trading community, it blew people's minds. People were like holy shit this meme band that everyone hates just got serious and took our entire genre to the next level. I cannot understate how big that album was.

People sent checks via the mail in exchange for goods. Online transactions were still done this way instead of all electronically. So you would purchase online, get an order number, put that order number on a certified check, and mail it off. And a week later you had your stuff.

Also everybody had a customized desktop. Not just the wallpaper, but the themes, the colors. There might be a talking cat that sat on the desktop and would get up and walk around and poop and tell you what time it was. Everybody had unique desktops. Everybody had different fonts. Maybe cursive, and in pink and yellow and that was what the entire interface looked like.

Slashdot was huge and the original Reddit. There was a Slashdot effect where if they linked a site, that site would suddenly get so much traffic that it might die. Also in those days you could tell if a webpage was using IIS or Apache because the Windows server was always slower to serve webpages. When Dell entered the server space people laughed because Dell was not an enterprise brand and who would ever seriously use x86 or Windows on a production server?

Online chat was a thing with a/s/l and everyone had an online significant other with whom they would chat about things daily, but who lived like 5 states away and no you would never, ever go meet them. Even suggesting such an idea would usually end the friendship. Everybody had an online diary with a guestbook and a stat counter -- showing how many page hits you had.

There was less corporate ownership and more independence back then. It was okay to be different and unique. The Internet wasn't just like 5 websites.

I think the Fediverse -- Mastodon especially, comes closest to recreating that turn of the century feel.

Yet another thing I remember from the 90s Internet was Church of the Subgenius. It was one of the first viral memes and when you read about it, you might just discover a thing or two about a thing or two.

Another thing I remember from the early 90s was internets with a little ‘i’. I could call a number with my modem and connect to a private system that wasn’t interconnected with the big Internet. These were typically bulletin board systems (BBS). An extension of the BBS concept was the online service, like CompuServe and AOL. Eventually these online services started functioning as internet gateways and that is when the real fun started. Prior to that the Internet was only available to government and academic users.

I remember the first time I connected to the Internet and browsed Usenet back in the early 90s. I’m a soccer fan and it amazed me that I could read about soccer match results and news and opinions from all around the world.

Back then it was pretty uncommon for people to be assholes to each other online. We were all just amazed at how much information we could share and consume.

It’s important to understand that prior to the Internet the only comparable experience that even came close was going to a library and browsing the magazine rack. And that was neither interactive, nor timely in the way we have grown to expect in the Internet age.

Trying to download porn in 160x160 with a 56k modem was so exciting. You never knew if that pixelmess would finish before you ran out of AOL freetime and had to find a new CD. Only missing the "being excited" part with all the instant gratification these days. Not the AOL part.

Hmm, the adventure of surfing the web? That forums and such were filled with nerds and quality advice. And the lack of monetization.

I remember (illegally) downloading lots of music, trying webbrowsers and them being super slow on my machine and of course pictures would load even slower. Alter (I think after the 90s were over) discovering Linux, reading forums and everyone was helping each other out. Or discussing detailed things and niche interests. And it had a distinct culture. A suggested/mandatory way of writing and replying so things would be organized and easy to follow.

There were no front pages like Reddit or Facebook.

Everyone had their own site and hosting was stupidly cheap.

You could host your own videos for very little. You didn't need to rely on external services like YouTube.

You found websites by word of mouth or by links on the sites you visit. It was an age of discovery. It was awesome.

As content was self hosted there wasn't any private censorship of content. And as it was cheap people weren't desperately trying to monetize everything to stay a float.

It was so completely different it's legit hard to explain.

Forums felt like a real community. Even crummy little forums like my home forum Supercars.net were teeming with life.

Discovering websites that had highly specific purposes.

Going down the rabbit hole of knowledge of a niche topic on websites alone. Now Wikipedia has most of the information about something in one page. Because information could be so fragmented then, you could spend hours just learning about a topic through people’s personal websites and forum posts.

The old internet still felt very hobbled together by people and their simple efforts. The new internet feels very big corporate. Lemmy kinda feels like a slice of the old internet sometimes.

Downloading music... I was discovering so many cool bands by downloading shitty quality mp3s!

Wanting to talk to some people about a relatively niche topic, where I felt confused but had no one to work through my confusion with … learnt about Usenet, and quickly found myself talking to people from around the world about the topic.

For me personally, apart from the interactive data visualisation moment around D3 ~2015, and of course watching funny videos back before YouTube, the internet hasn’t really gone beyond that experience.

Well not late 90s but pre 94 was the best times on the net. As for late 90s internet was not a commercialised mess of brands and much more fun.