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Trump’s Outreach to the Libertarians Was an Absolute Train Wreck (www.thenation.com)

submitted 3 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

How bad could it be, he just threw the general election down the toilet 🥳

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

His campaign team isn’t as bumbling and dumb as they were in 2016. That makes me wonder if this appearance was actually an attempt to claw back the center-right. Now Fox News can say “He’s not extreme. The libertarians didn’t like him, and they’re farther to the right.”

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

They’re more bumbling and dumb because since he “won” in 2016 now he doesn’t have to listen to the political consultants who would have told him ahead of time what his remarks should be. Not that he would have followed those either.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

That picture.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

The fact that libertarians are using an anarchist slogan cheeses me off

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I thought it was a photoshop. That shit is actually real, lol.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

I thought you was a photoshop

I isn’t a photoshop

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Epic faceplant. I have no idea who convinced Trump that this would be a good plan, but the dems need to send whoever it was a fruit basket and a box of cigars.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

During the speech, Trump quotes an editorial by Deroy Murdock saying Trump should be nominated as the Libertarian candidate. My guess is Trump was handed a printout of the article by the staffer whose job it is to cherry pick news to make Donald feel good. He read it and he decided he needed to go to the convention, as everything he’d read said he should be their candidate. The no one among the yes men he surrounds himself with was able to talk him out of it.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

On paper, it is actually a really good idea.

libertarians are basically chickenshit republicans who don't want to acknowledge how they get their dream world that... is pretty damned similar to the republican dream world. The problem is that trump is just an unlikable and obnoxious piece of shit. And libertarians are incredibly fragile and need to have their ego stroked endlessly because they are "enlightened" and "above the petty two party system". And trump almost immediately started talking about how he was one of the best libertarians and blah blah blah.

Removing the trump factor, it would be like if Biden (or, honestly, even Sanders) were to go talk in front of a tankie rally. On paper, they want many of the same things and have many of the same policies. But they would be one poorly phrased message away from failing a purity test and being booed out of the venue.

[+] [email protected] -7 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Anyone who doesn't think they deserve better than a two party system is like an abnoxious teacher's pet that just kept doubling down repeatedly into adulthood. Insulting someone for saying they deserve more than that gives me major 2nd hand embarrassment. You may want to work on your insult game.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Anyone that doesn't acknowledge that we are stuck with a two party system is like an obnoxious teenager mad that they got a Toyota when they wanted a Lexus. No one is happy about it but it's not going to change

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Anybody who insists the parliamentary/multi party system is somehow better for the people of a given country need only look at…basically every country that has that system…to see that that isn’t necessarily the case.

“Let’s switch to a multiparty system, that way we can have four parties pretending to give a shit about us while catering to the demands of the rich instead of just two!”

The 3rd parties in the US are only on the side of the little guy because they are also the little guy. If you put them into power they will not stay on the side of the little guy.

Ranked choice voting would make a far bigger difference, as that would allow a greater diversity of opinion both within party platforms, and in the voting booth. And would also allow more 3rd party candidates to have an actual shot at winning elections.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Go tour around Scandinavia or most of Europe for that matter, and then tell me how much better a two party system is for it's people. In lots of the first world, they have things called trains that can quickly take all over the country, and even into other countries! Guess what happens in lots of the first world if you get hurt or sick, spoiler alert: you don't lose your house! Guess what happens if your homeless? You don't get arrested for it, you get support. The list goes on and on.. pull the IV out of your arm, the two party system in America isn't shitting the golden nuggets they've got you thinking they do. There is a reason it takes millions in investments and property for US citizens to snag an EU passport.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Yeah that’s because they are ideologically a lot further to the left as a nation than the US is, not because of some arbitrary feature of how their government functions.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Also, if the US had a parliamentary system we might not actually vote for the president. Some systems elect their Members of Parliament, who then elects the Prime Minister.

This is a problem in some systems where people like their local representative, but don't necessarily want that party to run the whole government. Remember the phenomenon of "Congress sucks but my congressperson is okay"? It's harder to fix that issue with a Parliament.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

So then, what is your point about how we can look at any parliamentary or multi-party government to see how poorly they work? We look at them, see they are better, and then you just say that that's not why they are better. Why even bother looking at them for evidence, then? Maybe having more voices in government is the thing that moves a country in a direction of being better for its people.

In a lot of ways, it doesn't even feel like we have two choices. Which party should you vote for if you think we shouldn't be bombing children? In that regard, it is almost like we have one party. How about if you think peoples lives shouldn't be destroyed for smoking a joint? Who do you vote for for that one?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I’ve read the guy you’re responding to and don’t understand where you’re coming from. What made you think OP doesn’t think they deserve better than a two party system? That seems like a heavy assumption.

Are you morally grandstanding about how shit the two party system is? I think we all agree it’s shit, but it’s (currently) backed up by a US social contract (the average citizen agrees to the authority of the system), has a monopolization of violence behind it, and is the system that exerts power on people in and outside of the US.

Not participating in the system with the monopoly on violence seems like a bad decision because it’s more likely to make you a victim of that violence w/o any impact on the system itself, e.g. martyrdom.

Alternatively I have not heard of a good movement that’s poised to take power from the current system before November, which was the subject of OP’s post, so I don’t know where you’re coming from with such hostility towards a random comment lmao.