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Trump told donors he will crush pro-Palestinian protests, deport demonstrators (www.washingtonpost.com)

submitted 5 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Trump has waffled on whether the Israel-Gaza war should end. But speaking to wealthy donors behind closed doors, he said that he supports Israel’s right to continue “its war on terror.”

Former president Donald Trump promised to crush pro-Palestinian protests on college campuses, telling a roomful of donors — a group that he joked included “98 percent of my Jewish friends” — that he would expel student demonstrators from the United States, according to participants in the roundtable event with him in New York.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 5 months ago (8 children)

If Trump wins and has his SS start shooting Pro-Palestinian protestors, it’ll be really hard to hold back from saying “told you so”

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 months ago (9 children)

Bbbbbut Biden more bad!! Because Jeenoside

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago

I always said President Biden is the lesser of the two evils. Mango Mussolini should shove off to fucking Moscow.

[+] [email protected] -39 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So more of the same?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago (2 children)

What's your source on Pro Palestinian students being deported by Biden?

[+] [email protected] -16 points 5 months ago (4 children)

How are any Pro Palestinian protesters getting deported by either? Neither can. Just another boogeyman scare.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

How are any Jews getting put in internment camps? Hitler can't. Just another boogeyman scare.

Okay so they put them in camps, but it's not like they can just kill them.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So you're saying tRump is lying?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

He does that often

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Just another boogeyman scare

This comment is on the same level as "just locker room talk".

One is not doing what he needs to be doing, Biden. The other, trump, straight up talks about fascism and dictatorship every single day, for months now.

You are making this a 'both sides' issue it seems to me and that is wrong. You know it is wrong, I will assume you are not brain dead, so it begs the question: why do you downplay of what trump is telling you what he will do? Do you have some secret info on trump you want to share with us or should we just go ahead and listen to the guy and go with 'he means that'?

[+] [email protected] -15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

On this issue both side are the same. There are many other issues and reasons to vote, but there is no distinction between candidates on Palestine. Actions speak

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Actions do indeed speak but you do not have that yet with trump. He makes statements, wild ones where anyone with common sense would want to block that idiot from ever being close to a post office, let alone being a president of the US.
So while Biden could do do things differently, his actions tell us he is making the wrong calls.
Trump would, according to his own words, round up protestors and have them deported, crush them (whatever that means). He want israel to be able to continue without restrictions. Biden might not do all the right things, I agree, but to compare him on this topic with trump is just plain wrong.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 5 months ago

This argument holds as much water as Biden’s red lines. A lot of lip service and nothing of substance. Does it matter which door you use if you end up in the same room? They are absolutely the same on Palestine

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[–] [email protected] 146 points 5 months ago (5 children)

But let’s protest Biden by abstaining in the general! That’ll teach the Dems a lesson! And get a shit ton more Palestinians murdered but I’ll teach the Dems a lesson that they will definitely forget by 2028!

[–] [email protected] 69 points 5 months ago (9 children)

We really need to drive this point home.

Oh, you're not voting for Biden because of his support for Israel? Tell me more about how you care more about teaching dems a lesson than you care about minimizing the Palestinian death toll.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

the democrat party will lose if a segment of their voter base abstains from voting

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the democrat platform can afford to completely ignore a segment of their voter base so doesn't need to adjust their platform

are two mutually exclusive positions

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Only if you ignore that there’s also a segment of Democratic voters who would reconsider support for Biden if he took a stance that they perceived as anti-Israel. Democrats are a coalition party of compromises between factions who have to work together to find as much common ground as possible in order to have any political relevance in a first-past-the-post system. Biden has to walk whatever tightrope loses the fewest votes, and he seems to think that not doing a 180 on decades of US foreign policy is the best way to do that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

can't withhold a vote because policy won't change because if it did people would withhold their vote and then the policy would change

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Wrong. What the democratic party does is nearly irrelevant.

"We will not vote for Biden because of Gaza" and "We will do what's best for the Palestinians who live in Gaza" are, unfortunately, truly mutually exclusive positions.

It's extremely sad, but that's the position your Republican neighbors have put you in.

[+] [email protected] -43 points 5 months ago (14 children)

Voting for someone is giving them a stamp of approval either explicitly or implictly. Democrats need to lose. They need to be afraid of losing votes. If they can act in this manner and still win, they are learning the wrong lesson. The quiet part that Trump said out loud - that he can shoot someone on 5th Ave and people would still vote for him.

I'm tired of this end of the world argument for voting Biden. If our institutions are so fragile that this election topples our democracy for good - then sorry to burst your bubble but the democracy is already a goner.

Israel is committing the worst ethnic cleansing campaign of our generation. I cannot and will not vote for someone embracing them and helping them get away with it. We cannot let fear cloud our principles.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

It's a ballot, not a tinder profile. 90,000,000 people have to swipe right on the same person.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Giving up your right to vote isn't going to teach Democrats anything about needing your vote.

Let me get your position straight: you can't do anything about democracy in the U.S., but you can do something about ethnic cleansing in Gaza.

You either don't live in the US or are incoherent.

[+] [email protected] -40 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (16 children)

I think you're wrong. I think if Democrats lose this election they will do their analysis and focus groups and surveys and if it points to the decisive issue being Gaza then they will change their attitude on Gaza - even if marginally, they will be forced to.

As for me, I just got my right to vote 2 years ago and I've been living here 25 years. I'm going to vote. I'm just not voting for Biden or Trump. I'll write uncommitted or blank or something.

This is what democracy should be. Candidates lose votes if they don't act in a manner congruent with the beliefs of the base. This "vote no matter what because the alternative is worse" is not democracy. If you don't have a choice, you don't have a vote. You're headed same direction either way.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

You can think that we are wrong all you want. But we can point to evidence that you're wrong. It didn't happen in 1980. It didn't happen in 2000. It didn't happen in 2016. And it didn't happen any number of times before that.

Literally the only time in at least the last 50 years. The Democrats actually listened and changed their behavior. Was when they were primaried by someone much more Progressive and committed. They saw the turn out for Sanders and changed because of it. They've never changed for non-turnout. Or to court the voters of third-party candidates that struggle to even break single digits.

Civil rights wasn't passed because of non-voting or even protests. It was passed because of a desire to win the near guaranteed votes of that group. If they weren't, neither a group would have passed it yet.

Teaching them requires strong candidates to primary them with and pull them to listen to you. Blame democrats for not primary themselves all you want it's just kind of foolish. You and we as a whole we need to start preparing now to primary candidates at every level of government in all upcoming elections. That's how they listen.