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this post was submitted on 27 Apr 2024
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My previous experience is reddit, and I've found Lemmy to be far more positive, with exceptions.
Interactions with mods here are far less demanding and nitpicky. It's more like interaction and less like being told off.
Interactions with other users vary, but I'd say it is a net positive experience here. On reddit, other users were a net negative.
The exception is the reaction when you disagree with the consensus built up between a post and its comments. Whether it's reddit or Lemmy, you're going to have a bad time.
My understanding is that the original devs of Lemmy are tankies, so the culture they fostered was very anti-western values.
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Personally id argue that i have experienced the most toxic behaviour by the mods of some communities. Overall i wouldn't say that Lemmy is more or less toxic than the rest of the internet or even that the mods are stricter. I've just gotten a few comment removals by communities that i never visit but that ended on my feed and i commented on something.
Maybe you just have some real shit hot takes.
Looking at their post history, they were banned from unpopular opinion after multiple posts just slagging off the platform. So yeah, some real shit hot takes.
There is [email protected] for positive or at least neutral conversation.
If you see too much negativity here, you are probably hanging out in toxic communities.
I saw your last post about Kaspersky on the Piracy community, sorry to see the comments you got.
Each community has its own vibe and moderation policy. A few of them are quite toxic, a few are very nice, the rest is in between.
I think it just correlates with leftism in the US and Lemmy was leftist before the Reddit exodus increased the population. I say this as a US center-left liberal (and I get annoyed with it myself).
The leftist movement is very anti-establishment, very pessimistic about their future under capitalism, very pessimistic about the US political establishment, very pessimistic about climate change, very pessimistic about the Israel-Hamas situation, very pessimistic about police, very pessimistic about health care, very pessimistic about both Biden and Temp, very pessimistic about ... pretty much every major issue (except maybe weed).
Edit: I don't mean to "rage against the leftist" either, I think y'all have some good points from time to time and there are definitely things I agree with you on (e.g. the health care system needs major changes). Some of y'all give a real "you must be fun at parties" kind of vibe though and some are about as bad as the Trump supporters in terms of using personal attacks.
are about as bad as the Trump supporters in terms of using personal attacks.
Russian, trumpist, moron, bot, Chinese, tankie, fascist, Republican, child, shill.
This is a selection of things I've been called for saying that Biden should stop supporting genocide.
Tell me how bad the left is about personal attacks.
You being personally attacked for being an (evidently) leftist does not invalidate the numerous personal attacks that leftist have made against me on this platform and others.
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No shit we are lol
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The whole point of the fediverse is that you can do it yourself if you don't like the way existing instances operate.
But here it seems you're not interested in putting forth any effort at all: https://lemm.ee/comment/11445877
If you want to join someone else's community, expect to have to abide by their rules. You wanna make the rules, put in the effort to make your own community. Nobody's forcing you to be here. Bye now, don't let my block hit you on the way out.
It's always a laugh to see users like this. Nothing like joining an established group and then whinging about how "toxic" it is when they get rebuffed for repeatedly breaking the given rules.
People on Lemmy have bailed from Reddit because they have principles. Stuff like Linux. The value of science/education. Lefty-ism (or whatever it's called in their region). FOSS. They are willing to cut themselves out from a larger community to foster one that is compatible with their principles.
From your comment history you seem to be posting stuff outside of Lemmy's core beliefs. That's great! But the people here really believe in those principles, so they react negatively to the comments.
I dunno what else to say. If we want Lemmy to be viable, we need to allow people with other views build communities here. We feel pretty close to a monoculture at the moment.
I hadn't really noticed that Lemmy is any more or less negative than Reddit used to be. I have noticed that most people on here are a lot more polite aside from the occasional trolls. Maybe the negativity is more of a trend in the specific communities you're visiting?
Huh. Maybe it's the communities/posts I've visited but I wouldn't agree with your assessment of an inherent negativity/hatefulness. Do you have examples we can discuss?
I agree, Lemmy doesn't feel especially negative to me. That said, I use the Subscribed view instead of All, so I guess it's just about curation.
I also immediately block users who are obviously just trying to wind people up.
I've seen the same thing and I think it's a conversation we need to have.
I think it's because Lemmy is populated by people who did not like Reddits changes. We are malcontents by definition, and holy cow does it show. And of course all the people that have had their Reddit accounts banned too.
I think everyone needs to take their tone down quite a few notches.
I also feel it's something that should be examined before too much more time goes by, as it was not like it is now right after The Day the API Died.
Everyone was very polite in a way I haven't seen since before everyone had useful Internet on their phone.
But it didn't take long to change. There was a small but vocal group that hated in Beehaw constantly for wanting to keep their space polite. There was another bunch that seemed offended that nobody was swearing and started to encourage it.
Just more and more things like that have crept in over the months. I get why mods have wanted to avoid the criticism of harsh Reddit modding, but Lemmy seems to have accepted that only being 3/4 as rude as we put up with in Reddit is still good enough.
As someone dedicated to carving out a hospitable and relaxing community for everyone here, it concerns me that there does not seem to be much curation of how Lemmy is growing.
We are technically decentralized, but certain groups are essentially operating out of specific servers. Much like the growth of real world communities, people come to where the action is and those servers will be the de facto Lemmy community which will spread our reputation.
I think World, ML, and other significant servers should start to actively take a stance on who we want to be. We can still welcome strong and dissenting opinions , but there isn't a need to treat each other poorly. Anywhere you'd go in person has varying rules of decorum, and I wouldn't mind seeing that take effect here.
It needn't be rigid or all at once, but we can work toward something we feel comfortable with as a collective user base and decide when to stop or roll back.
I just don't want to see the group of us as a whole turn into what we just left is all. I feel that would be a shame to squander what we've spent the last year building up.
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Thank you very much for your comment, I wholeheartedly agree.
At first we wanted people to join, so we were more lenient. I guess it is now time to protect the space, and not be afraid to take sanctions for people who are straight up rude.
Exactly. I'm not out to crap on anyone's good time, but like being a decent person in real life, it ends when it starts to cause other people a bad time.
I don't feel we're gaining anything of value by allowing ourselves to behave poorly. I'd like to see things in News and Politics for example focus more in direct action and campaigns we can take part in than posting ragebait type articles that get everyone mad. There's no shortage of other places we can go for that.
Say, instead of saying the president is allowing oil drilling in a supposed protected place, let us know who is supporting or opposing it, what groups are doing what to fight it, etc. All we get now is "it's Republicans doing it again" or "this is how Democrats are getting nothing done again," the same comments we've heard a billion times that don't do anything but work us up, no matter who we support.
We don't need to pretend we're happy all the time or spend all day watching our every word, but we could put our energy to better use.
100% agree. Disabling downvotes might be a good idea, since it removes one psychological hammer we can use against each other.
Definitely
Exhibt A of unnecessary downvoting.
If what you are describing is the case, then why none of the alternatives have the same level of negativity?
Maybe the existing user base? (before the reddit exodus.) It was hardcore left, and now that their echo chamber is being opened and challenged they don't like the new discussions. And being so used to the old ways they think they can continue bashing progressive as not progressive enough.
But are they more positive or just more ideologically aligned with you? I looked through your post history and most of the conflicts you had seem to be ideological in nature. Much as I wish it wasn’t so, strongly negative reactions to ideological differences are a prominent feature of culture right now, particularly in online spaces.
So, to give a relevant example, posting about how socialism is bad on Lemmy.ml (which is a Marxist-Leninist instance in case you did not know) is going to generate a strong negative reaction. But I don’t know that this is because of something inherent to Lemmy. This would likely happen any time you criticize socialism in a space where most people agree with that ideology. If you made the same post in a fascist online community, you might get a more positive response, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that community is more positive, just that you align with them on that issue more so.
What alternatives are you using? I've only tried Lemmy after Reddit. I don't find it overly negative here either btw, but I'm interested to compare.
Discuit.
They might not have the volume of users that grants some level of peer protection. Lemmy is big enough for the biggest asshats to find likeminded individuals, while other sites are struggling to reach anything remotely close to critical mass, so individuals stand out more and might hold back.
Or they all belong to a certain subgroup or subculture already, which makes it more harmonious.
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