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    [–] Elocomanzo@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Am I the only one that doesn't mind? It's an OS and we all have free will. I have both and enjoy using both OS. Maybe because I'm 38?

    [–] Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    The problem I have is normalization. People complained about micro-monetization in video games, but that was normalized. People complained about corporate interest in open source, but that's normalized. Now people are complaining about your operating system advertising to you against your will, it will be normal soon.

    [–] bastion@feddit.nl 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Tbh, I'm fine with cosmetic-only microtransactions, so long as they're not pumped at you all the time.

    Edit: in an otherwise free-to-play game. Fuck micros in paid games.

    [–] Johanno@feddit.de 1 points 11 months ago

    I complained that Microsoft was doing that and this and made it difficult for me to change x.

    Then in Linux I changed x and broke my system and complained about how I fucked up.

    So well one has advantages over the other in some aspects and in others the other one is better.

    I personally don't like windows because of the ads, weird settings, and the spying software. My whole experience is not that great on windows. And I love tinkering in Linux.

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    [–] Swarfega@lemm.ee 25 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    This is the same with everything. Twitter, Google, Facebook, Netflix, Amazon, Apple etc. They all shit on their users, people complain but then they just accept it. As long as people just keep sucking it up they'll continue to do what they want.

    [–] bastion@feddit.nl 2 points 11 months ago

    Yep. Change requires actual change.

    And it also generally requires more energy than working with the current system, unless and until it becomes the default.

    You want free-range grass-fed beef that is slaughtered with reasonably low suffering? Pay more for that, until it becomes the system.

    You want an operating system that isn't screwing you over at every opportunity? Use a Linux distro, and pay for ease or pay with learning how to make it do the things you think I should.

    I'm happily using Linux as my daily driver, and have been for ages. I've gotten over the need to tinker as much - I just use it, report bugs when they matter to me, and live life.

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    [–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 15 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    I feel bad for the people who still use windows

    [–] bastion@feddit.nl 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Really. I've been watching the shitshow in windows and apple get worse and worse, and am glad for the availability of Linux.

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    [–] kusivittula@sopuli.xyz 24 points 11 months ago

    the worse windows gets, the funnier it is to me

    [–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 months ago

    This made me laugh so hard I down voted five times before I could hit the up vote button

    [–] ian@feddit.uk 31 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I blame the Linux gatekeepers, keeping people on Windows. By pushing out misinformation to Linux newbies who ask a question online, and scaring them away.

    [–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    You're talking about Arch and Gentoo users, aren't you?

    New user: which distro should I use?
    Arch users: definitely Arch, it's so easy and stable!

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    [–] DriftinGrifter@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    i mean tbh ive never had issues with arch i couldnt solve without a quick google(neither has a update ever broken anything) and manjaro sets everything up 4 u

    [–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    That's fine for tech literate people willing to spend time on that. But non tech newbies don't want to open a console. Recommending Arch to them is a shit move.

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    [–] lurch@sh.itjust.works -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    you can't say that about all of them. it's just a small fraction

    [–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 0 points 11 months ago

    Unfortunately, they are the loud minority and other arch users don't tell them to spout such nonsense. Recommending the distro to linux newbies is not helpful. The minority will be willing to open a console in order to get stuff done. When I started, all I wanted was it to work and never see a console. Recommendations like gentoo and arch might've turned me a way from linux altogether.

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    [–] akincisor@sh.itjust.works 40 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    There are no Linux gatekeepers. There are assholes everywhere, that's the human condition. I came across these assholes and I learnt that I should take advice and consider it myself.

    If you close your brain and listen to random online people without thought, you'll have a bad time, Linux or no Linux.

    This stereotype of people in Linux or open source as assholes is FUD spread by people who have a vested interest in spreading it.

    I've found people mostly very helpful and courteous.

    [–] Cosmos7349@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    idk I think that only the Chosen should be allowed to use Linux

    [–] mvirts@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Annointed with the holy kernel, untainted by binary blobs.

    [–] bluewing@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

    And wear sackcloth and ashes while scourging ourselves while reading error logs.

    [–] DanTDM@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

    holy kernel

    not templeos

    worshipping false idols now, are we?

    [–] lemmyreader@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago

    Looking forward to see someone creating a TempleOS fork with a Linux Libre kernel in their spare time.

    [–] captain_oni@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

    Not only misinformation, but straight up condescending unhelpful answers, sometimes.

    [–] calzone_gigante@lemmy.eco.br 6 points 11 months ago

    I don't hate ms bullshit anymore, people are free to use anything else. Now, i am just glad that the average consumer software is garbage, and we can look like wizards and get some cash when we automate lengthy processes for corpos that got used to the inefficiency.

    [–] OpenStars@discuss.online 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    I use Mac OSX btw...

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    😁

    [–] DriftinGrifter@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    osx is the unix equivalent of a tip terminal at a restaurant

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    [–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    I'll get angry again if the ads show up in business licensed copies of Windows since I have to use Windows at work. And at least work won't make me upgrade from 10 until 2025

    As far as I can tell nothing has actually changed. The "recommended" is the same shit as it's always been, and windows 10 already has that.

    [–] Hello_there@fedia.io 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    This reminds me of a college rivalry. People from College A (mine) hated College B. People from College B didn't care at all.

    [–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago

    Woe is me, I can't install other operating systems on my work computer. I'm being paid for every hour Microsoft bugs me or refuses to do what I want it though so, oh well. More time to shitpost and vent on Lemmy!

    [–] confusedbytheBasics@lemmy.world 99 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I stopped using Windows over a decade ago and Padme is right. My windows using friends are always mad about some change or another and I'm just chill as a cucumber.

    [–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 48 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    I feel a sense of ownership over my OS. I tinker, I experiment, I break things and sometimes I fix them.
    I still get mad, but it's our problem. We got here together and I know that we can do better.
    Windows feels like renting. The landlord only shows up when I'm not ready, fixes stuff that wasn't broken, doesn't fix any of the things that I need fixed, keeps raising the rent and installing hidden cameras. If I want to fix anything, it costs way more, is way harder because the landlord won't tell me where anything is, gets un-fixed every time the landlord visits, and after all that it's just fixing someone else's house.

    [–] lemmyreader@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago

    I like that comparison a lot. Thanks for sharing.

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    [–] brotundspiele@feddit.de 25 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    In my last job I had colleagues using Windows, and they were super chill. When they turned on their computer in the morning, it took 20 minutes to boot, install the latest updates and log on. I had to start working right away, while they were having their third coffee and second cigarette, waiting for their computer to get ready. I'm sure it wasn't healthy, but relaxing.

    [–] lemmyreader@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago
    [–] subignition@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    That sounds like poor IT policies to me. In previous office jobs I've had, our computers were configured with our working hours and we wouldn't shut them down at the end of the day, so that any updates could happen off the clock and minimize that sort of disruption.

    [–] cm0002@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Depends on your perspective, I'm sure the guys who got a 30 minute on the clock break weren't complaining about poor IT policies lol

    I've done something similar, "Oh shit, gotta take a break boss, computer decided it wanted to update, fuckin windows amirite?"

    [–] subignition@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

    Fair enough. I was speaking towards the perspective of op. We were encouraged, not required, so there were definitely some folks who would do that.

    [–] oo1@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    did they ever start actually doing anything useful?

    between sharepoint and microflop dynamics-CRM, azure and windows (whatever the fuck version)
    and mother-fucking oracle, I can often go days after booting up before I can do anything useful.

    Sometimes I think the only people who can do any work are the procurement team and the only work they can do is issue MS purchase orders.

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    [–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 51 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Actually you still absolutely do, since Microsoft has in the past, and probably still, actively sabotaged the ability to run other operating systems on gener computation devices.

    [–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 57 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Back in the 90s, before the DOJ v Microsoft antitrust trial, Microsoft's licensing terms with OEMs required them to pay MS for every unit sold β€” even units that did not come with Windows. This meant that if Dell or HP or whoever wanted to offer Linux as an option, they'd still need to pay Microsoft for Windows or else lose the ability to sell Windows at all. It made no sense to offer Linux PCs at that point.

    Just one of many many examples of Microsoft's illegal anti-competitive behaviors.

    [–] kelargo@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Groklaw still around? It has tons of anti trust details archived.

    [–] lemmyreader@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

    It's still there (apparently archived at Ibiblio) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groklaw -> http://groklaw.net

    [–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

    merely slightly less angry

    [–] FateOfTheCrow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 11 months ago

    It's more complicated than anger for me. There's the disappointment that they've sunk so far, worry that other programs that I use could follow, but also some relief that I switched when I did.

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