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It's nice to see that we no longer trust privatization as a the magic wand that solves public institution problems.
That said I think the 52% support for non-union gig work in Canada Post is indicative of the mindset that needs shifting if Canada is to change course in a way that makes most people better off long term.
Source: https://angusreid.org/canada-post-privatization-strike-service-disruption-vote-union/
Unless it's for packages does anyone really need junk-mail delivery every day?
Most stuff has like a month for paying off statements and whatnot.
If this is true then 38% should be deported to texas and we can bring in more immigrants to take their place.
Canada post is a service not a business. It should never be privatized.
38% of people hate their communities, and want everyone but the wealthy to suffer for the crime of being poor.
A fair proportion of our population have been absolutely hoodwinked and brainwashed by the snake-oil promises of conservatism and capitalism, both of which serve only the wealthiest 1%.
The postal service in Denmark was opened in 1624.
It was privatized in 2009. It will shut down at the end of 2025.
Classic capitalism. Peak efficiency
This survey is dumb. $20/year to maintain postal service how? Through a subscription to a private company or through income tax to support the current implementation?
38% of Canadians have obviously never used Purcolator, our last attempt at privatization.
And if you tried to use Purcolator and they couldn't find your house for pickup, that counts.
"Purcolator" 😂
Here in Ireland, the government postal service diversified and now also provides financial services to remain relevant and liquid. You can set up a current account with them, or withdraw cash through a post office if you already have an existing current account with another bank. I think An Post also allows you to buy bonds. They have also even entered mobile carrier service.
Other postal service in many parts of the world should follow the same model to remain relevant. These new additional and modernised services would be beneficial to serve remote communities not easily covered by mobile carriers, banking institutions and/or still rely on traditional mail service.
The Canada Post workers union has literally suggested some if not all of this.
Really? It is a shame that none of the suggestions are ever implemented.
Because there are private interests that wants to bleed Canada Post dry and fuck every Canadian over for more money.
I am always amazed at how many people do not understand this. Phone companies right before they started becoming almost "essential", power companies, water/sanitation companies, healthcare "you know excluding eyes and teeth because they have nothing to do with healthcare" that they're pushing to privatize, etc etc. So why does anyone think that privatizing Canada Post will be any different, and sure as shit it will be some stupid Tech company that will just have another means to amass your information to sell.
Now don't get me wrong, there needs to be a change at Canada Post (and the CBC but that's another topic), but privatization is not the answer, and neither is the current way it's going. The person who mentioned how Ireland has adapted their postal service makes a valid point and it should be looked at.
Canadians will not be better served by privatization but some greedy asshole billionaire will, unless it gets bought by the employees.
Yes government organizations are rife with inefficiencies but it would be better to attempt to solve those problems.
I do not get a lot of useful mail from Canada Post, but that doesn't mean it isn't a valuable service for Canadians. There just needs to be less junk mail what a complete waste of resources, and why the hell do companies have the right to force their trash on me. Bet that gets better with privization /s
The union proposed hiring more people and spreading out their work across the week to cover all 7 days while giving everyone 5 days of full time work. Why was that option not part of the poll?
It's a service, not a business.
Fuck
It’s a service that’s mostly used by businesses to send junk mail to everyone. The letter mail stuff almost entirely consists of financial statements and bills (so also business). Since CP is losing a ton of money, they’re effectively subsidizing all these businesses with below-cost mail delivery.
When was the last time you corresponded with someone via letter mail? I can’t even remember the last letter I got. It must’ve been years ago. Why do we need daily delivery for that?
It’s a service that’s mostly used by businesses
almost entirely consists of financial statements
When was the last time you
I can’t even remember
because
when is the last time you
But I still fucking pay for those! This is a society and we do that; don't be selfish.
Financial statements can be sent electronically. We are literally creating huge volumes of paper, spending a ton of money and creating a ton of CO2 and other industrial waste, just to send a bit of information that could’ve been an email that most people just throw away without reading anyway.
Buses and roads are used by millions to get to work/school. Police are protecting you even if you never call them (countries without credible police are extremely dangerous; police have an extremely powerful deterrent effect against organized crime). Even if you’ve never driven or used a bus you’ve definitely eaten food that has travelled on a road multiple times before reaching you (unless you live on a commune out in the country in which case you probably shouldn’t be paying taxes for all that stuff).
Anyway the point wasn’t even that there shouldn’t be a postal service, just that we don’t need daily delivery. If we eliminated non-addressed mail and made all financial statements electronic then the postal workers would be driving empty vans around town every day. We could easily switch to weekly delivery without impacting service much at all.
I don't agree with you on mail at all. Not everything can be emailed to you. My bills are emailed/texted to me... But I still get some finicial papers, forms, and letters sent via the mail. I also get packages still delivered via canada post. You can mail in election votes. I depend on it.
The point is: do you need that stuff delivered daily? Or would it be fine if it only came on Fridays?
You made it sound like you are for privatization. I am good getting my mail once a week. As long as it is free. I depend on it.
It’s not free. It’s never been free. It’s $1.23 per letter for mail. But that $1.23 is way below cost. Canada Post lost over a billion dollars in 2024. The question is who should pay for the shortfall?
I think big companies sending out all those financial statements and bills should be paying more for postage. Others around here seem to think taxpayers should be subsidizing their postage. That makes no sense to me! We’re talking about billion dollar corporations. Why do they need a subsidy to send people mail?
It’s a service that’s mostly used by businesses to send junk mail to everyone.
Because it's one of their revenue streams. Nationalize Canada Post, stop caring about revenue and stop delivering non-addressed mail.
Canada Post is already a crown corporation, but it is managed like a private corpo for whatever fucking weird reason.
Lots of private interests trying to get their greasy finger into Canada Post and suck it dry.
What about all the packages they deliver from all sorts of businesses around Canada and the world. Most of the stuff I order ships with CP. Just received some coffee from Montreal. This should be subsidized. If freight was more expensive I would be buying a lot less from small businesses across Canada.
The volume of packages is very low compared to letters. I work in a mail room. We send out upwards of 10,000 letters per day. We also send out packages but the number is fewer than 100.
That makes sense. It is probably different for a shop that ships products to people.
Fuck that biased title...
What do you mean?
You could have written 47% opposed privatizing some of Canada Post, the larger percentage of that group. By choosing the smaller opinion group, you make it seem like the support for privatizing some of our public service is actually the more popular opinion, when it is not.
If I saw "47% opposed privatization", I'd be here complaining that the title is trying to make people think that the majority (53%) support privatization.
Then perhaps we all agree that quoting stats without the whole context present is misleading.
Yeah, maybe something like "Poll results on privatization of Canada Post".
Interesting. I specifically wanted to highlight the worst case scenario - that the people who support privatization are just 38%. To me that's the really important bit. But you do you.
38 percent should go fuck themselves!
hear me out - irl mails should be stay in the past. replace it with courier delivery
Have you not been paying attention?
Private service becomes popular by undercutting existing services -> existing services go away -> popular service jacks up the price and reduces feature set. Get ready to pay by the milligram for your fucking temu order.