Its a trade off at best. You would need to make everyone poorer and accumulate more power in the government to make it happen. And the biggest issue is if its even doable.
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What's funny is, most people on the ground that I have talked to about this issue agree that the world would be objectively better. They just don't want to make the effort if it would benefit somebody if they don't agree with.
This comic is from 2009, over 14 years ago. Good thing we took action and have made great strides towards combating climate change during that time. Could you imagine how screwed we'd be if our world leaders had sat on their asses and did fuck all instead? /S
We aren't doing enough but we are doing something.
Renewables are up YoY and solar and wind are quickly becoming the predominant deployed energy generators (in the US anyway).
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Yeah, what have those damn kids done for us today?
Mankind has been cheating for decades now, building a super consuming inefficient society without the means to actually do so sustainably.
We failed the Candy challenge, we chose to eat our candy now instead of receiving more candy in the future. We wanted to have new toys constantly, make stuff cheap and throw-away, because we want new stuff anyways. We wanted to eat large amounts of meat every day. We wanted to travel across the world. We wanted to have our own large homes with large gardens and heat/cool them to be perfect for living in all the time. We wanted to have our own personal tanks to drive around in perfect comfort, to use as we wish, to go as we wish. But we wanted it, so we made it so. We used the ultimate cheat code called fossil fuels.
Using fossil fuel is like going to a bar and putting everything on the tab. You can drink and eat all you want, but at one point in the future you are going to have to pay up. Previous generations didn't really care, they would just pass along the tab to the next generation, they will figure it out. And with technological progress as it was, it would have seemed likely a solution would be found. Especially in the atomic era the solution to a lot of problems was within our grasp. Unfortunately because a lot of reasons that never panned out.
No solution is within sight and the bill is coming due. But in order to at least pay some of that bill, it would mean we are going to have to give up a lot of riches we've come accustomed to. With a lot of people it isn't they don't want a better future for the Earth and the next generations, it's that they don't want to be the one who gives up those riches. They don't want to give up their car, not even for a day. They don't want to stop eating meat, even if it's only half of the time.
So the bar analogy works, and I hate to agree with an idiot, but when the tab comes due, some people just go to a different bar.
Let’s get off planet.
Let's fix the planet. It's possible, especially if we greatly expand hemp production. Once that's done, we ship the tiny minority of greedy assholes to Ceres. They can figure out asteroid mining, we can even give them MOABs to help out, but no nukes.
I'd love to do this, but we literally don't have the energy budget for that. At least, not for everyone. Rockets require crazy stupid amounts of energy for relatively small amounts of mass, just to leave Earth's gravity well. Nevermind that space is an incredibly hostile environment requiring technology we don't even have yet, or that our next best bets for settlement (Mars and Titan) aren't much better. We'd be far better off terraforming the Sahara.
Absolutely agree. I just think the earth environment thing is already a wash, so we could try our damnedest to get off the rock.
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its nicely written, but i think ur wrong abt some of these points.
We wanted to eat large amounts of meat every day. We wanted to travel across the world. [...] We wanted to have our own personal tanks to drive around in perfect comfort, to use as we wish, to go as we wish. But we wanted it, so we made it so.
Most of this stuff only got popular bc of mass advertising. For example, the idea that bacon & egg makes a good, healthy breakfast was made up and marketed by paying doctors to say its true (look into Edward Bernays). This ofc helped the meat industry sell their dead animals to more ppl. and yet nearly 50% of our food produce is thrown away bc it couldnt be sold. why do they produce so much??
SUVs were heavily marketed to ppl in the US bc theyre classified as "light trucks", making them not subject to "cafe" (corporate average fuel economy) standards in the US and were therefore cheaper to produce and sell. Look into what cars are around in europe today; most of them are still small, efficient, and safe.
the real issue of this is that corporations have a need to make more money every year. it all needs to keep growing to please their shareholders.
this means more aggressive advertising; more shit nobody really needs has to be sold to those who can barely afford it bc we need to be paid less for them to make more.
capitalism is the real problem here. and it needs to stop. we need an economic system thats based on ppls necessities, not on making the most money (selling the most stuff).
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Rich people won't make as much money.
They actually have studies that show they'd make even more, which makes sense when you realize that the economy is designed to make them richer. They've had these studies since the mid '70s. Cruelty and head counts are the point, at this point. They know they'd be better off as well, and are just seeing how many of us they can murder before we do something about it.
If things progress as they are, with accelerating warming, in 20 years the economies start to break down and money can't buy you things anymore. Making money is over by then.
I've given this a lot of thought since the comic above was first published, actually. I think it really reduces to the Tragedy of the Commons. This is where everyone involved sees a limited resource and "gets theirs" since there will always be someone else to do the same if you don't. That explains petroleum writ large, but I think it also explains general wealth hoarding and exploiting market forces for gain. If you don't, the next guy will.
So if the global economy really is headed for a collapse in 20 years, you can bet these animals will spend 19.5 years making cash that other people can't. The remaining few months will be spent buying their way out of the hole they dug, assuming they can get the timing right.
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We could eat them. Wdyt?
They're not organic, and pumped full of plastics and preservatives
I make some mean barbacoa and egg tacos. Save me their cheeks.
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