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Transgender Catholics — as well as a priest who welcomes them to his parish — expressed disappointment Monday with a new Vatican document rejecting the fundamental concept of changing one’s biological sex.

In essence, it was a restatement of longstanding Catholic teaching, but the dismay was heightened because recent moves by Pope Francis had encouraged some trans Catholics to hope the church might become more accepting.

The pope has welcomed a community of transgender women to his weekly general audiences. And last year, the Vatican said it’s permissible, under certain circumstances, for trans people to be baptized as Catholics and serve as godparents.

“A document like this is very hurtful to the larger LGBTQ+ community but especially to the trans community,” said Maxwell Kuzma, 32, a lifelong Catholic transgender man working as a film editor and writer in rural Ohio.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I will never understand how LGBTQIA people can remain religious after reading the bible. It literally tells people to stone you to death with big fucking rocks.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Or women picking and choosing what parts of the Old Testament to use as weapons against others

At least straight men could be argued to have self interest involved, but even then it's absurd what rules it sets.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

I completely get how LGBTQ people are drawn to Jesus' message of peace and forgiveness so I can see why they'd want to be included in 'Christianity', but I don't get why they'd care about being Catholic.

If you're raised Catholic and think that's the only way into heaven and then find out that way doesn't include you- maybe rethink the initial assumption.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

It's pretty easy, they should just create some sort of conversion therapy, it's not like you are born like that and there is 0 biological reason or proof for that sort of condition. I mean it's pretty easy to choose any other spiritual outlet or meaning to life than religion.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Alternate headline: "Transgender catholics show no understanding of their religion."

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

But... they're all in dresses all the time!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (3 children)

To be fair (🎵to be faiiiiiiiiiirr . . ) Jesus never said anything about trans people, and the Talmud (which Jesus was ostensibly a big fan of) has eight - count 'em eight - specific genders already specified and ready to go.

So really it's the Catholic Church who's not understanding - very possibly intentionally. But there we go. SSDD.

FWIW I think Francis got a good old fashioned political situation handed to him and, for whatever it was worth to him, caved.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

But they're choosing to follow the Catholic Church by being Catholic, so the point still stands.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Not to say that the life view of any ancient peoples are wholy applicable to modern life but holy shit based

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

That seems like a pretty definitive mic drop on the matter

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"Trans Member of Conservative Group Shocked by Mistreatment of Trans People"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

It would seem that the face eating leopards are very inclusive and will eat your face regardless of what you identify as

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'm shocked, shocked I say, that the people who live in their own religious state that is walled off from the world and has been there for a thousand years don't have an understanding of the lives of modern people.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Very nice art though. Some of the best, really.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Walled off...? You really need to see for yourself the true extent of the vatican kingdom, not counting its history and the meaning of it. I'll go as far as saying that as long as there is a Catholic institution somewhere in the world, that is where the subtle power of the vatican goes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Oh fuck the pope

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