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I think progressives never thought about this because we banked on immigration and demographic change allowing us to win culturally and electorally but the issue is immigrants tend to be overwhelmingly male, that is how Trump won actually he won over a lot of Hispanic,Black,Asian and indigenous men who feel humiliated by a new culture, economy and world.

So what can we do rhetorically and policy wise to win more young men over ?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I honestly don't think progressive politics is the problem. When it comes to the US. The only other party is the democrats and at best they are center at best but really they are just Republicans from 20 years ago. From a fiscal sense.

Both times they sold the American people to pick them just because the other side is worse. The problem is most people don't want to pick the lesser of two evils. They want to pick something that will change their lives for the better.

The problem is when Democrats don't really have a platform or communicate that platform effectively. But the other guy is saying he will fix the problems in people's lives even if they are lies. Most low information voters will roll the dice on the chance he is not lying. Because the other side has brought nothing to the table at all.

The logic i have seen with a man like that broke my heart was this. He said i care about the plate of Trans folks and other minorities but like on an airplane you have to put on your own mask on first before you help others. So when you are out of work or can't afford to live. The culture wars feels like less a priority for those type of people.

When looking with that lense it makes sense how people voted. People with higher education and income voted Dem becase they wanted to help others.

People with lower income voted Republican out of desperation and was easy for Republicans to sell the snake oil of. If we hurt these small group of people. All your problems will be solved. Then those same people are hurt more when they find out it was all a lie.

Read up on history and how Germany was after World War I. It's like having a crystal ball of what's going to happen next.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's not a rhetorical problem. It's a propaganda problem. People aren't being reasoned into right wing politics. It's being beaten into their heads day and night by talk radio, cable news, local news, and YouTube; and this has been going on very deliberately for decades. The right wing powers-that-be have been busily, patiently, creating a massive, pervasive propaganda machine for a long time while the left sat on their hands. We're now seeing the results: a world where the right can do and say literally anything they want without consequence. Their base is very literally brainwashed through brute force repeated messaging that nobody can compete with.

We needed the Democrats to do something about this propaganda machine before it became unstoppable. They already didn't do that.

The best thing any of us can do is try to steer kids away from the propaganda before they get sucked in.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

How do you do that, though? The rich and powerful aren't going to suddenly start pouring their resources into progressive messaging, and there's only so much you can do when you're diametrically opposed to them.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

humiliated by a new culture, economy and world.

So what can we do rhetorically and policy wise to win more young men over ?

Hmmm

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

do you have an actual answer to the question ?

Also even if you disagree with that, that is how they feel and when it comes to votes weather or not how they feel is justified or not doesn't matter

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

Pride in intellectual achievement would be a good start.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Be nice and respectful to them and masculinity. Like "It's masculine to protect the oppressed"

Don't belittle anyone for that matter, such as based on race, gender or religions, even if you're upset at that grouping.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

I like this actually

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

One thing that would probably help a lot is more progressive rolemodels who actually go out proselyzetizing, i.e. a more direct progressive equivalent to the likes of Andrew Tate. Though IDK how to actually make that kind of thing big, the fascist tech bros who rule silicon valley will surely suppress it even if it was gaining some momentum.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Start by no longer telling men who have done nothing wrong they are responsible for the misdeeds of others. It breeds resentment and closes people to anything else you have to say.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Rich old dudes fuck every everyone over...

21 years old kid gets the blame...

US "liberals" are a useful tools of the regime who are too smug to figure out that they are part of the problem

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The first thing is that progressives need to stop being intellectually dishonest. The movement needs to admit that the world view is a technocratic one in which the best course of action given the evidence available is the one that will guide the decisions of the movement, not popular sentiment.

As of right now the progressive agenda looks like a mass of contradictions whose only identity is opposition to MAGA and the right with such intensity that the right has in fact co-opted many of the stances that traditionally belonged on the left, losing the support of the working class.

Seen through a Marxist lens, it is not surprising, the progressive movement in the US is not a worker’s movement but rather a managerial class movement.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I agree that we need to be more technocratic as I think democracy is kind of running it's course in the world. Maga also has a lot of contradictions to be fair

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Seen through a Marxist lens, it is not surprising, the progressive movement in the US is not a worker’s movement but rather a managerial class movement.

And managerial class inherently whores for the regime while pretending to be the "good" guys

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

That’s not the managerial class.

The managerial class are the office employees, very generally “knowledge workers”.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Male stereotypes have to be culturally broken first. Men are being taught that showing any emotions other than anger and hate is effeminate. They're being taught that empathy is weakness, that education is stupidity, that freedom is slavery.

Everything that makes men human is being stripped away, leaving a husk of burning hate awaiting marching orders. They need to reconnect to humanity.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Who is "teaching" them this?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I am going to be honest, I think women need to be a a part of this. We are used to being right in regards to gender conflict because usually we are but one thing I agree with men on is that every woman says they want men to share their feelings more but many women lose respect for a man they see as weak.

Bell Hooks talks a lot about this so you can go read her.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't know. How do you teach empathy?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You got to beat it into people

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Sell it to women first and let them broadcast that they wont date any regressives.

Im assuming the regressives are mostly young cishet men

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

the issue with that is with less women dating period since less women want to settle. Would that work ?

There just isn't a gaurentee or even a good enough chance that being a progressive or supporting progressive politics will get you a girlfriend or wife so would this kind of incentive system work ?

If you want the carrot and stick to work you have to give the carrot.

Telling women to just date random progressive guys for the cause even ignoring the fact it's not ery ethical. I just don't think you could convince enough women to do it for it to work

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You don't like cishet men much, do you?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Without having stats to back it up, it seems perfectly logical to me. Cishet men are the people conservative views benefit the most, and they're the people folks like Andrew Tate specifically target. If I had to make a blind guess, I'd have said it's cishet men, too.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No I agree with who is problematic. My comment was in reference to the solution being both forced on to women and under the assumption that courtship (sex) is the only way to reach those men.

I'm not an apologist, but when people are, from birth mind you, molded and made to be a certain way how are they supposed to behave? When they do reach an age where they have some beginnings of autonomy and critical thinking skills what happens? Phase 2 begins in the form of rightwing bullshittery. Couple all that with no sense of identity or value and you've got a recipe for destruction. Very few men can break free from all that. They're, we're, victims and villains.

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