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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This isn't proper lock out, tag out procedure. They forgot the lock part and only have a tag.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I actually knew a guy who died this way at a Caterpillar factory near Peoria, IL. Machine wasn't properly tagged out/locked out.

RIP Troy Bryner

Update:

Per OSHA Report:

Investigation Nr: 200272276 Event: 04/17/2011 Employee Is Killed When Struck By Closing Lid At approximately 11:00 a.m. on April 17, 2011, Employee #1 performing maintenance on a Dunker quench hardening machine that included the repair of a hydraulic leak. He was working in an area that measured approximately 2 feet wide by 3 foot long by 4 feet deep. Employee #1 locked out the machine's control panel and made the necessary repairs. After completing the repair work, Employee #1 instructed a coworker to remove the locks in order to verify that there were no leaks. While in the machine, Employee #1 attempted to lower the machines hydraulic cylinder by depressing the "lower press elevator" button. Instead, he depressed the "lower press lid" button. This caused the machines lid to close on Employee #1's head, killing him. The accident investigation reported that the coworker was working to secure the "lower press lid" cover by chaining it open; however, was not able to secure it in time due to the untimely depression of its activation button.

So, not exactly a failure to lock/out, but certainly an example of how important it is to take those types of procedures seriously. Always, good to know what actually happened.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

What a terrible way to go

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago (1 children)

this is NOT tag out lock out approved holy fuck

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah I came here to say that this is a fucking terrifying "LOTO" (and I'm using the term very loosely here) procedure that most likely will eventually kill someone

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

absolutely. I'd almost want to disassemble something like this before cleaning it properly.

That or have a very explicit physical lock out mechanism if it's something like a stamping press.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Boeing? (looks like a flight attendant panel)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Was hat die Reinigungskraft im Kraftwerk gesagt?

"Schalt jetzt bloß nicht die Turbiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Health and safety is going to want to see that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

The intrusive thoughts...

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

Today on hoodroolic press channel, ve haff an intern, a new intern who's cleaning the press, and he looks prooty dangerous, so ve must deel vif it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, the button says “pull to start” and the sign says “do not push” so we’re good to start it, right?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

they cancel one another out and it's dealer's choice

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (3 children)

why aren't they doing lockout tagout?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Can they not just, unplug it, and put tape over the power point.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

If a tool or machine can simply be unplugged, and the worker performing the service remains in control of the plug, then lockout procedures aren’t necessary.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago

Because they're doing note out hope out. Obviously.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Same thing I thought, unless there isn't a place for a lock.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Breaker feeding the thing power.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm only replying for visibility at this point because of the upvotes and the dangerous scenarios that are being promoted with this advice. Breaker with LOTO would be more acceptable but even then I wouldn't trust it. People have been killed because something was wired up wrong and circuits were accidentally connected (meaning breakers off but currents still going from a connection down the line to another breaker, it can appear that the circuit is dead until a switch is flipped sending current and happens in home lighting constantly). Also, someone can simply plug the device into another outlet leaving them with a death on their hands.

I know it's dramatic and these are just comments, but something like this could save or take a life. I've seen too many workplace accidents and refuse to work in unsafe conditions or environments anymore even if it costs me the job. Last unsafe worksite I was in, nearly all of the workers walked out together when we arrived in the morning to start at a new site and saw what the project manager had in store for us (probably helped that the owner was hated and payroll had been getting screwed up for weeks). I'll never forget that day and still keep in contact with most of them. We are all waiting and scared for the day a mass casualty is reported from the shitty work they were trying to make us do (some did report it to the authorities, but never heard what came of those reports).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yes absolutely yes.

If equipment has a removable power feed, the plug follows the worker into the kill zone or the work doesn't get done. If the plug doesn't reach, and LOTO doesn't happen, the plug gets disassembled and brought into the kill zone until the worker returns it.

Deaths because lazy are at the feet of management.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is always a way to disable a machine. The button has power. At the very least, the power to that button should be locked out. If it has to happen at the breaker, so be it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Only if the breaker has it's own system for LOTO. You guys are going to get people killed lol.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yes yes, sorry I thought my phrasing made that clear, but it wasn't.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The real question is whether this was put up on April 2 or is a really old sign from Feb 4. ISO 8601 saves lives people, but probably not as many as proper lock out/tag out procedures.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

maybe they just really like slash-delimited palindromes

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

As long as that sign is there, don't fucking touch it. Go figure out who put it there and ream there ass for writing it instead of locking out the machine.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Greetings fellow ISO-8601 fan club member.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Fuck the paywalled ISO8601. All my homies hate ISO8601. (OK, in reality I have no one...)
RFC3339!!!!!!!

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

When your life is protected by, and depends on a little scribbled piece of paper...

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

LOTO? Never heard of her.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

I see they’re following their note-out, scribble-out procedures

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