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Plagiarizing. It's spelled plagiarizing.
And yet we all still understood it somehow
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This is what bombing those buildings in Fight Club was truly about!
The return to office mandate is such an annoyance. I hope companies who did it suffer because of it.
One of the top tech companies in my country mandated a return to office because the boss couldn't stand that people were working from Bali instead of chatting with him at the office coffee machines in the cold Estonian winter.
Friend who works there says it's up to the team leads and few want to enforce it and risk losing people. But the CEO got his article in the newspapers saying software engineers are all lazy entitled pieces of shit, which was his real goal. He hates paying people, but the company only gets top talent because of their salaries. Nobody goes there for "innovation" anymore now that it's an established company.
Yes, but you have to consider the poor CEO's and middle managers. They need to be able to strut around an office full of people and feel important. Plus there's all that office space they leased for the next 30 years at a discount that they need to fill with workers to justify the expense!!
It cruel to only consider the happiness of the slave class while ignoring the plight of the ruling class. Don't you people know that?!?!?
During the pandemic our office was inspected and structurally condemned, so we literally have nowhere to go back to, the building is now a car park. It's great.
I wholeheartedly recommend black mould and a leaky roof to anyone that doesn't want to go back, it might be hard to arrange but it definitely works.
Not that shocking. Hell, there are millions of Americans who would kill just to work indoors. Office work is the envy of every farm and trade worker with aching feet and knees and various injuries they have to nurse while they labor. Working at home??? It’s absolute luxury.
Office work is the envy of every farm and trade worker
This isn't exactly true. There are, believe it or not, people who prefer to work outdoors and do heavy labor. Especially farm work. Some people aren't really suited for office work. (pun intended)
The very fact that it is something that the workers want
Is WHY Employers want to halt it.
Too many Employers believe that anything the workers want is necessarily bad for Businesses ... BECAUSE the workers want it
Just gaining back all the commute time everyday is such a huge bonus for me. Nothing at an office can compare to that alone. And I get to add in a ton of other nice bonuses from being at home.
It may seem silly, but aside from commuting time the biggest advantage for me was being able to use my own bathroom. No bidets in the office washroom!
Work, and society in general, isn't meant to make us happier.
Right, remember that whole line of the American dream? Life, liberty, and the pursuit of quarterly profits.
Fuck you.
Fuck me? I didn't invent this...
I've observed that work seems to be a system to transfer money from millionaires to billionaires through the working stiff's paycheck.
Oh my god! None of us had any idea that’s how it worked! That’s such a revolutionary observation! We should all just internalize it as an unchangeable thing and accept life ever steeper decline towards a feudalist hellscape!
You’ve offered nothing, but you managed to offer nothing from a pedestal. Maybe just don’t say anything, rather than assume everyone but you can grasp the basic and obvious realities of the situation. Or are you implying we all just roll over and take it?
Have you considered therapy? You sound mentally ill.
Got any other cliche’s, or do you have anything real to add to the conversation?
why so hostile?
Why so subservient?
I both agree and disagree with the conclusions in the title....
I agree that for many people, they're happier, and likely more productive, working from home.
I would also agree that for many different people, working from an office makes them happier/more productive.
It entirely depends on the job, who you are, and the work culture. Some places are toxic and working from home to get away from it is helpful for job satisfaction. I've known people who simply focus better when they're at the office since they have a lot of distractions at home. I know for me, the opposite is true. at home, I'm in control and can limit exposure to distractions, and I can be more productive, more comfortable and overall less unhappy with my job.
IMO, this discussion is less about what companies want, whether work from home or hybrid, or in office .... The main conclusion that we should be driving home is that different people need different environments to do their best work, and be happiest with their particular job. To put it simply: workers need to be able to choose.
Until we're at the stage where employers care less about how, and where you do the work, and they care more about the work getting done.... We're going to keep going back and forth on this.
I like to work from home. That's me.
I know people who prefer to work from an office. There's plenty of people who feel they work best from the office.
There's plenty of people that need to mix between home and office work.
Bluntly: as long as you can do the work from where you're working, and how you're working, the rest should be flexible. We're (presumably) adults and professionals. If we're given work and we're being paid to do the work, then we will do the work. We don't need to be constantly supervised by middle management like toddlers.
I like to work from home. That’s me.
And there is, as it turns out, a lot of people like that. Doesn't actually mean everyone is like that. But it does mean that being given this option, we, as humanity and as workers, are happier.
Your reply reminds me that "I'm not pro-life or pro-choice, I just want people to be able to chose do they want to have an abortion or not".
That quote is funny because the statement is clearly indicating that they are pro-choice.
In business though, workers are not often given a choice. You either work from the office, work x days in office and y days from home (hybrid), or only work from home.
90% of the employers that I am aware of, give one of these, maybe two (usually in office and hybrid) as options; usually only one option (in office). A few wfh companies I've worked for do all wfh, which is great for me, but anyone who wants to work from an office, can't.
By giving workers a real choice, you open the company up to a much larger pool of people who are willing/able to do the job. If they're local to an office and want to be in office, cool, set it up. If they're not but they prefer wfh, cool, set it up.
In my experience nearly zero employers provide flexible work options. It's usually one of the three, and if you're lucky, two of the three. It is exceedingly rare to be given all three choices.
Add to this that your preference may change as your life does. Lifestage makes a big difference.
I am more productive and less depressed working from site and if i work too much from home I get depressed and adhd kicks in and paralizes me.
I don't see how it benefits everyone not to allow people to work from home at the same time.
This is me too. I love my home. I’ve lived here a long time and have made this my ideal little place on the planet.
I can be ridiculously hyperfocused and productive on my personal hobby projects at home. However, I cannot get jack shit done for work. I still like to work from home fairly often, but I go into the office on a regular basis. Fortunately, I live close to the office.
Tl:dr "Nah-uh, not me."
Maybe for most people. I start getting a little too suicidey when I spend too many days working from home.
That sounds like you are using work as a replacement for whatever it is missing in your personal life. Nothing stopping you from going to do things outside of work hours.
I loved working most days until 12 or 1 in the office, coming home and refocusing on "my" part of my workday. Just enough office, not too much. Sadly now I am glued into a windowless room with a camera on me. Major dissatisfaction, huh.
Haha! Now if only the point of work was to make you happy! If research showed it made your boss wealthier then everyone would be WFH tomorrow!
It DOES make them wealthier. Since productivity isn't lost while employees WFH, that means that they get the same results while saving money from having costs associated with office space like rent, utilities, furnishing, and maintenance. The reason why they don't do it is because office real estate is a business worth billions and the rich are all invested in it. They're so greedy and out of touch, they'd make up any lie to demonize WFH.
It also makes employees wealthier.... Think of all the money you flush down the drain making your car move from home to the office and back again.... Just that alone is easily thousands, if not tens of thousands of dollars per year, depending on your vehicle and type of fuel, efficiency, etc.
Everyone wins except the real estate owners and their stakeholders, which, as you astutely pointed out, are the business owners. Rent is a way for them to essentially launder money into their own pockets. They legitimately pay their office rent, and a chunk of that comes back to them in dividends from the land owning company.
It's a club, and you ain't in it.
The capitalist club.
how will landlords who own all the buildings in business districts get paid, then? do you want their properties to stay empty? do you just want them to starve?
Just an FYI, most commercial real estate is owned by massive corporations because they're the only ones with enough money to build and own skyscrapers. Most mom and pop landlords are residential and they own 4 units or less. It's very rare for an average, even a wealthy average person to own more than a couple of commercial properties that they rent out. Corporate landlords are very much a big reason why WFH isn't the standard.
We've had this capacity for several decades now, and it seems ridiculous that our culture has not fully embraced it with open arms. If that's not a sign that "we the people" aren't running the show, I don't know what is. Freedom my ass.
Due to how isolating our culture and urban planning has become, a lot of people have started using their work as a replacement for their social life. Without it they realize just how caged they are under this system, so they refuse it. They think being given more free time and the ability to do work from the comfort of their own home is a bad thing because it takes away their social outlet.
People have to do what's best for them. If they need to commute to a job to have a social life, let them. This is absolutely not a reason to force other people to do it.
I know a few boomers who are against it. They think that online work is not real work and that people who work remote are lazy bums who should get a "real job". They're the same type of people who went insane during the lockdowns instead of enjoying the free vacation.
It's also nice eating out of your own fridge, using your own toilet, and everything else.
Bidet, and that’s all I’ll say
Agreed, thanks COVID(I guess?)
Even better is if we all got a monthly allowance and not have to work full time. 😆