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Agreed. Nobody should be proud of their height, their skin color, eye color, anything they didn't work for. Happy, sure. Proud? No.
I told my children that pride is a product of hard work; in life, there's nothing worth boasting about unless you've earned it through effort.
Same thing when I see people crying over their country's team winning an Olympic medal.
Get a grip - You didn't do anything except be born in the same geopolitical boundary as the actual athletes. Perhaps one 50th of a penny of your tax dollars contributed to the team athletic funding.
Fun fact, a major contributor for funding training US Olympic athletes comes from the Department of Defense, and it's about 200 million per year. Unless it's an Olympics year and then costs skyrocket.
I dunno... Being the first person born in space ought to come with some bragging rights.
But then how do I do jingoism? /s
I kind of agree, that it's idiotic to be proud in the sense of accomplishment, but I don't think that was the intended meaning when the term was originally used in this context. GRSM people say they're proud to be queer, because pride can also mean a rejection of shame. Of course there are people who will take genuine pride of accomplishment in their place of birth, but I ifgure those folks don't have a lot else going for them in terms of accomplishment, or perhaps don't understand the concept of accomplishment to start.
Needs to be narrower. Nobody should be proud of being from where they are from because they are from there. It's not inherently good to be from any particular place.
But you're allowed to be proud of your local community because of things they have done regardless of whether you were born there or not.
Agreed. Also genetic heritage. I literally didn't have any choice in any of it. And to pretend my genetic heritage is somehow something to be more proud of than any other genetic is literally racist.
This applies to all races equally.
I think society would benefit if we all felt a sense of pride in our communities and people in a positive aspect
sense of pride
- Sense of community? Yes
- Sense of respect? Yes
- Sense of responsibility? Yes
- Sense of accomplishments? Yes
- Sense of pride? Errrr... Not really.
When people write "a sense of pride in" I think they (and you) are saying "be responsible for X so you can feel good about it". Nothing wrong with that, and I think you're right.
However I don't like the phrase. Pride is the wrong emotional target. It brings with it a sense of superiority in some. There's a reason it's one of the deadly sins.
Fair, but I think we agree with the sentiment of what I meant.
Can we do that on a global scale instead of being restricted to within the borders?
I think we'd need to find aliens first
I can see that. I'm willing to bet the lived experiences of individuals from different communities/tribes/nations/continents/etc. aren't all that different from one another. Typically one of the arguments for tribalism comes from finding community with people who have the same experiences as you.
It starts with finding things that make us the same, not different.
I'm not really advocating for tribalism, more patriotism with a respect for other people's patriotism. So not social nationalism, basically
I would like to see a "tribe of tribes", I guess. People who have all shared lived experiences, regardless of where they are from, geographically. It's not hard to imagine that someone from another country could have a background similar to my own. Or your own. They could have better or worse experiences than you, or me. And there are some people in the world who do not want us to discover that. They want us to focus on all that makes us different, the experiences we don't share.
I mean there are different types of pride. Being lgbt isn't a decision either, yet we have Pride, because being proud of who you are is often about more than just accomplishments, for many people it's about accepting and embracing the parts of you that you can't change. Just because you don't personally like that it includes that definition, it doesn't erase the fact that that is a part of the definition and has been for a long time.
In an ideal world LGBT Pride would not need to exist because all sexual orientations would be treated as absolutelly normal, so one's sexual orientation, no matter which one, would be as deserving of pride as, for example, one's eye color, i.e. not at all unless one is some kind of narcissist. LGBT Pride is really just a response to a World that in most places sees minority sexual orientations as "wrong".
I suppose you could divide that pride into two parts, one deserving of as much pride as one's land of birth and another really deserving of pride:
- The first, pride in one's sexual orientation (be it LGBT or any other including the majority one), is as deserving of pride as the nation one was born into, which is not at all because one does not choose how or where one is born and hence, not being an actual personal choice, it's not something deserving of pride.
- On the other hand the other part, that of an LGBT person having pride for having fought for and manage to living life as they are in an environment which discriminates against non-majority sexual orientations, is indeed real, deserved pride (IMHO), as it's pride in one's achievements.
Anyways, my point being LGBT Pride as openly celebrated isn't pride in the common sense of the word, but quite a lot more than that.
I get so annoyed with people who are on tv shows, (like competitions, or reality shows) who claim they want to "make my country proud" and they don't want to let them down. Did everyone in your country send you there? Was there a vote? Are they paying you? No. You made a choice to be on the show, your entire nation is unlikely watching or cheering you on. When you lose Joanne, and you will, no one will care then either. And the people watching the show will not suddenly start calling people from your country losers, they will only know that you, Joanne are the loser, not all the other millions of citizens of your nation. **Joanne is a generic contestant for the purpose of this rant.
I’d rather not be born in a place where this opinion is unpopular.
I looked up pride and one of the definitions was: *Pleasure or satisfaction taken in an achievement, possession, or association. *
For example: parental pride. Many parents are proud of their children regardless of the achievements or personal decisions. Pride can, I believe, sometimes be tied to a love for something/someone.
So being proud to come from some place is to me, saying: I love that I came from this place or "I'm thankful that I was born here"
This is coming from someone that doesn't really care much for his birth city nor country.
I would have expected to agree with you, but in thinking it through, I am proud of things I didn’t do, but not for myself, if that makes sense. I’m proud of my mom for getting through grad school with a small child (my sister, I wasn’t even born yet), and I’m proud of my dad for quitting drinking a decade before. Those are both very difficult things and I feel positive about them in a way that feels similar to how I feel when I understand a new aspect of my field and the same as how I feel when my niece learns a new thing. I would call it more of an indirect pride, I guess.
I can see extending that to more distant ancestors, especially if there’s been a consistent threat and various ancestors were instrumental or inspirational against that threat. It’s not a requirement to feel any sort of way about your forebears, but I don’t think it’s out of line to feel pride or shame. I also don’t think it really makes a difference if you’re blood related to the people or just culturally related (or anywhere in between), so I guess it would apply to a culture at large as well (generally geographically related).
Yep. People watching the Olympics while being obese sitting on a sofa eating big macs with extra cheese. The athletes did all the hard work, and the audience at home take the pride for whatever reason.
Humans have not evolved beyond tribalism. They still think in terms of borders instead of the planet.
Hah why are you down voted. You made fun of fat people, okay well its like their own fault for being fat for 99% of them.