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The Three Stooges of Abraham (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (3 children)

all 3 are genociding. iran with the history ba'hai faith.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Don't forget sending people into offshore jail and refuse to let them go, and support and indirectly encouraging genocide.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 days ago

Seniority should demote individuals, from positions of power, to those of advisory.

Privilege readily blinds those who experience it.

Authoritarianism is most attractive to the weakest.

Religion is the most destructive human invention.

I’m not into kink shaming, unless practicing it inflicts harm in a non-consensual manner.

[–] [email protected] 107 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Add Putin in the mix and you have the 4 Geriatrics of the Apocalypse.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago (3 children)

And none of them atheist. Religion is a cancer.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (7 children)

Does Netenyahu represent Judaism? Trump stands for Christianity? Khomini for Islam? Hitler for Atheism?

No, none of them is religious they each abuse an extreme version of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, or even Athisim as well. They prey and indoctrinate their audiance with shitty idologies to stay in power through it. In case of Athiesm, China replaced religon with a cult of patrioty through which they could justify their minority genocide and the endless list of CCP oppression.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Jewidism

fuckin lol

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

woah easy man. your spelling antisemitism is showing.
I wrote jewish then forgot to change it to judaism, which i wrote correctly in the first paragraph. cool?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Hitler was not an Atheist. What the fuck are you talking about?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (5 children)

He was:

https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/hitlers-religion-was-hitler-an-atheist-christian-or-something-else

Regardless even if he was a "christian", he was preaching an extreme idology that did not belong to any religon.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I thought Hitler was some sort of vegan atheist with a little sprinkle of occult Arayan BS? Christian trappings were for the masses and rank and file?

Personal general impression, no source.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Can we just have these 3 fight in a steel cage?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Only if we don't have to let the survivor out when it's through.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

How about we give the survivor a ticket to the Hague (´･ᴗ･ ` ).

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 days ago

Fake news. The fat orange one is 79.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Their governments should just rotate each leader once in a while just to keep things fun .... I doubt anyone would notice or that it would change world politics

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[–] [email protected] 137 points 5 days ago (1 children)

To be fair, rape, genocide, and punishing women for shit that isn't their fault are all biblical values.

[+] [email protected] -26 points 5 days ago (9 children)

They're really not values... It's history. The old testament is a story of people becoming better over generations, and the ebb and flow of it

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

1 Samuel 15

The Abrahamic god is pro-genocide, and routinely commands the Israelites to commit genocide.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

What is a god? The Bible speaks about many gods, different kinds even. Are the Creator and the god of the Israelites the same?

What are they referring to here? The will of the people, the mandate of heaven, the super organism created by the abstractions of a group of humans - he didn't follow it as king. He was supposed to be executor of the will of the people, and he didn't deliver the "justice" they demanded

I'm not the one saying the sky daddy is whispering in people's ears. That's not how it ever works, does it? It's always people going off to meditate, and coming back with sometimes inconvenient moments of enlightenment

Oh, and let's not forget when the god of the Israelites changes their mind... It happens kind of a lot

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

You need to understand that most of these people have never cracked the Bible open, let alone actually try to read it as a collection of 55 separate books mostly chronling One tribe and of their stories covering poetry, life lessons, spirituality, morality, etc over roughly a 3,000 ish year time span bound in one binding.

Or to put this in perspective. Imagine somebody made a supercut of all Star wars media ever produced all of the clone wars episodes, the prequels all of the new Disney shit and they made it into one massive supercut. That's what the Bible is.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I understand that... But imagine you have all these star wars fans who love dressing up like storm troopers and doing crackdowns. They're even in government, screaming "for the empire!" as they bomb random people in the middle east

And obviously, a lot of people are going to think Star wars is evil

But reading the Bible without commentary is like a vaccine for the mind virus. Especially the gospels, they're short and based as hell

The mental gymnastics required to replace mutual aid with magic is truly extraordinary. That's why they explain the Bible to kids, sentence by sentence, to make sure they don't accidentally understand it

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

That's why they explain the Bible to kids, sentence by sentence, to make sure they don't accidentally understand it

That really is the rotten heart of the probelm. Doesn't matter which flavor of fundamentalist. Christian/Jewish/Islamic fundies all pour that mind poison into children.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

There's not a single line. You've said that I disagree with across either of your comments. But it's not even just the Stormtroopers. It's the people that are going on and on and on about how Star wars is the story of jar jar Binks and not the story of the skywalkers...... And the Binks people are the majority of the Star wars fans at this point

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

I agree, and that's kind of my objective

We need to encourage people to watch the source material so they know to mock the larpers for never having done the same

Side note, Darth Jar-Jar theories are dope

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Psalm 137:9 says it's a value. Some translationa say you will just be happy if you bash babies against rocks. But most say you will be blessed for doing it. That makes it a value.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 days ago (4 children)

It's literally a curse against their enemies. Like it's that simple

Psalms are prayers to God, it's all just a book of poetry. They're not laws, they're not divine commands, they're literally just feelings in flowery words

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (3 children)

The claim that the Psalms are just poetry is going to be heartbreaking to anyone that cites them as prophecies about Jesus. There are, what, 25 different ones that people use that way? It's the number one source of old testament retroactive bias confirmation that JC is the Messiah. Take away their predictive qualities by making them just prayers said by people and you destroy the best resources for people to justify their core beliefs.

In your attempt to back up one claim you have destroyed 25 others and the bulk of the reason for the new testament. That was not a good move.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I genuinely see no conflict here, and I think anyone who does has gotten caught up in a narrative. I don't really care if their picture falls apart, if it requires magic than show me how it works...But I think the book explains it already, indirectly

What is prophecy?

The US empire will collapse, and its not going to be spectacular, it will happen with agonizing slowness.

In a moment of enlightenment, I knew it was true. I'm having a lot of trouble accepting it, even years later - I still wait for people to take to the streets and take back our democracy, or for a solar flare to give us a reset. I'd rather be there to rebuild or have AI or aliens save us... But that's not going to happen, is it?

Deep down I understand it's cope, intellectually I see how it fits together. I know how this plays out in general terms, but I haven't seen the future. I've just seen the full picture for a moment

Is that a prophecy? Because what I felt at that understanding was despair and resignation. I could write a poem about it, does that make it a prophecy?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You lost the thread and went into beep boop beep territory there.

In short prophecy is anything that people look back on and say "wow, they sure got that right" even if they didn't get it right and it wasn't until after the fact that anyone even saw something as having predictive pretenses.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

I tend to think there's more to it... Otherwise it's just a prediction. And I don't know wtf beep boop beep territory is supposed to mean

I don't think prophecy is that stupid though. It's genuine wisdom, it is a thing that can be done, when you empty your mind of desire and for a moment you can understand how the systems you know play out. It's floating the stone for society if you will, letting go of yourself long enough to use your understanding objectively

And that's my whole fucking point. The poetry is irrelevant. David or whoever could've looked at Jewish history, which is all about wise men rallying the people, and determining "this too shall end" and predicting it would come in the form of another wise man

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They're not laws, they're not divine commands, they're literally just feelings in flowery words

Actually a very accurate description of any religious text

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

They're also philosophy, cultural identity, sometimes even manifestos for a better society

But Psalms is literally just poetry. Like, even in context... It's just a poetry collection

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 5 days ago (2 children)

…is it really though

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

Yes. Every society has their own origin stories, and that's what this is

Rome had Remus and Romulus. America has Christopher Columbus and the founding fathers

They're a mix of actual events, myth, and the morals we aspire to as a society. Even very recently formed countries reframe their history this way

Actual history, when you study it academically, is mostly petty people making personal decisions that work out. It's messy compromises and opportunities falling into people's laps. Sometimes there's ideals, but it's mostly compromises

But that's not what we generally teach... We always frame the story in a way to highlight the values we believe define us as a society. Even when we change the story - what we teach to children is always a reflection of the values we aspire to

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Kind of, yes. A lot of it is historical accounts of varying credibility. But it's important to always be aware that those accounts were written centuries after the events that they're telling us about, and are heavily mythologised and extremely biased.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

There’s also the attempt to influence and control the followers, and to do the bidding of the religion’s leaders. As well as practical tips like not eating old shell fish or being careful with tainted meat.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago

This is what bugs me the most, old people saying crazy shit is normal. The blame is kind of on the rest of us that they got into power.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Politics is just a bunch of old men helicoptering at each other while the rest of us watch, suffer and die.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Until a younger person gets into office, then it’s a younger person doing the exact same.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 days ago (1 children)

All people do these days is watch old men helicoptering, suffer, eat hot chip and die.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Best outcome they all they by the end of the year.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

How about today?

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