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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/17617609

They supposedly can be disabled in settings- but we all know that won't last. They're going full Microsoft Skype mode and it's only a matter of time.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 9 months ago (4 children)

this will always happen unless we move to FOSS

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (9 children)

Hope we get some comparable options yet, I only know of matrix and that one allegedly has tons of security and performance issues.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Mattermost does most of the required discord features. (Pun intended)

Is open source and is selfhost-able. I think there are some SaaS hosters if you need them too.

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[–] [email protected] 102 points 9 months ago (10 children)

Good. I hope people will move away from it soon. I hate Discord for banning third-party clients and datamining my system for installed apps. So I've never really used it.

It does mean I'm excluded from some FOSS projects' support like Home Assistant but to hell with that :P

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I've only ever used it in browser to limit what it can see on my machine. I was told by one of my coding professors that one of the signs of a virus is if it monitors what apps you're running, I've been cautious ever since of anything that does that (obviously it isn't the only sign and isn't instant virus bin, like I have an app that monitors GPU usage and throttles apps to keep from cooking my machine)

[–] [email protected] 33 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Hopefully those FOSS projects will gain some sense as discord becomes more shit and will leave. One can hope.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago

ideally such changes to advertising and the ToS arbitration clause removing consumer rights will help give a lot of the open-source communities a gentle push to get off of discord. It's become far too central to too many communities and is impossible to search for knowledge.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (3 children)

“Discord said users will be able to turn off the ads in their settings.”

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

For now. I'm quite sure that option will disappear at some point in the not too distant future.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Sure, but you really expect that option to stay available for very long after 90% of users turn it off and ruin it's profitability?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago

usually at first you can do such, and later on, when a ceo wants more money, you then can buy that together with the new "pro" features actually nobody needs nor wants.

maybe better look for more stable solutions before they start acting like a broadcom ;-)

[–] [email protected] 50 points 9 months ago (1 children)

IRC still rules. No ads in my irssi.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Does IRC do voice nowadays? I think that is the main reason people use Discord

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (3 children)

If you mean that in some channels only some people can actually "talk", I think it depends on the configuration of the channel, but it's a possibility.

I thought people used Discord because you could have video / audio chats (not sure about this, I've used it very sparsely.)

And then there are Open Source projects that use Discord as the documentation repository. Hell is a place on the Internet, apparently.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Yeah, I mean audio chats (voice is short for voice chat). I think the video calls are not used as much, but are still a good feature. I'll probably try Revolt (someone linked it below)

[–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago

Discord became popular because it's a more convenient integration of audio chat for gaming, with text chat: no need to set up a server (like TeamSpeak or Mumble).

People using Discord for official documentation, or bug reporting, are in a circle of hell just slightly below the ones doing the same on Reddit. Community support... they may get a pass.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago (1 children)

they meant voice chat, audio

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

You're right, I completely misinterpreted the comment. The thing is that "voice" is a very specific term within IRC, and I got confused :D

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Yup, I realized that :) I do believe discord has just about all the features IRC can offer. And then some, of course. But that isn't saying much, considering IRC is one of the earliest uses of the internet.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago (5 children)

slowly moving myself to https://revolt.chat/.

Its sad since I've been with discord since almost '15.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Compared to Matrix, or any E2EE chat, this doesn't sound good:

we take your privacy very seriously. And with end-to-end encryption coming to DMs and group chats soon

Compared to Discord, or other established voice chat systems like Mumble, this doesn't sound great either:

We are currently rebuilding the client and the voice server from scratch. The old voice should work in most cases, but it may inexplicably not connect in some scenarios and / or exhibit weird behaviour.

The "app" on Android seems to be just the webapp running in a standalone window.

I'll concede them the OpenSource and self-hosted factors, and it does look like Discord, but it doesn't seem like a suitable replacement for average users... yet. Then again, the ads might push them over.

Guess it's worth to keep an eye on it.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

so this Revolt project is open source, which is nice, but still seems to rely on centralized servers. Does it use P2P for voice+video+fileshare so that the original devs aren't on the hook for insane bandwidth requirements? I can't see anything about their networking systems in the FAQ or info pages.

I may consider getting my friends to switch sooner or later if it's more P2P based. But I don't really want something that runs ALL traffic through central servers, because the bandwidth costs will inevitably just lead to the same situation that Discord is now in.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It's self-hostable, and they seem to be switching to webrtc-rs, not sure whether with P2P or not:

https://trello.com/c/Ay6KdiOV/1-voice-overhaul-and-video-calling

In 2022, they claimed it was using minimal resources on the server:

https://developers.revolt.chat/faq/monetisation

They also don't seem to consider federation as a priority, but then again neither does Discord.

https://developers.revolt.chat/faq/federation

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Oh cool there's an Android app, that's gonna make it so much easier to recommend!

Edit: I just read about how it's centralized and not encrypted, I'm not sure how this can become anything but Discord except open source and less popular. Matrix + Element seems to cover my use case for a project a bit better, I'll give that a try.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Just tried it... it says "Running in Chrome". Seems to be a repackaged webapp.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

well that's no different than Discord already, so net zero change

running webapps in chrome or Electron containers simplifies a lot of development, i don't like their resource requirements or dependency on Chromium, but I do understand needing to streamline development so devs can work on more important backend stuff.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The difference is:

  • Discord: Electron app, 156 MB, works offline
  • Revolt: webapp, 635 kB, doesn't work offline

The "works offline" is not much of a bonus for a chat app, but you can access cached chats on Discord, while Revolt... just doesn't run.

There seem to be other clients for it, though. Haven't checked those out.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

In theory PWAs can be configured to run offline, whether they're doing that I don't know.

The desktop app looks like it's electron though.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

What made you choose revolt chat over matrix? Just curious.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago

Oh, this looks great. Honestly, I am very happy when closed-source apps become worse, these are all just opportunities for open source to move in and take over.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Back to TeamSpeak! My account is almost 20!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago

Yes, but mumble. Fuck that discord noise and back to the old ways.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

TeamSpeak has always been better tbh. For actual gaming voice chat discord actually sucks, it's low bitrate and very high latency. It's benefit was just easy coordination in larger servers without the need to constantly self-host and self-manage your own server like TS.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If only it had screen sharing

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

I know, but now i get my idiot friends to come back. (i even host a TS server)

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