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From everything I've seen, this race is over. New Hampshire was one of the highest populations of Haleys base and she still lost by 10 points.
She would need a very seismic shift in the race to have any prayer of a chance.
And just to be clear, I'm quite liberal. But whenever I write these comments people think I'm for Trump. I just look at the data.
It's she staying in the race just as the remaining candidate in case Trump can't join the general election for judicial or health reasons?
Probably
I'm sure that burns him more than anything. She's got a bigger wad than he does.
Omg imagine if she ends up being the first female president?!? This is just silly, but i do love watching conservative infighting 🍿🥂
I mean, if it weren't for MAGA, she would trounce Biden in the general.
It reminds me of the interview that Jordon Klepper did with MAGA voters in 2016.
MAGA woman: A woman can't be president! If she has a hot flash or gets emotional, she could start a war!
Jordon: Haven't all wars been started by men?
MAGA woman: pause
Queen Boudica went to war with the Romans.
That pause was loooong and incredibly awkward. You could practically hear the gears grinding in her head as she tried to reconcile the cognitive dissonance.
And yet there is no chance in hell she wins the nomination nevermind the general. She's a 30:1 long shot in current betting markets.
When I bet on Trump for 2016 I got 12:1 odds at the time (end of primaries). Don't pay attention to betting markets, the market makers need to balance their books, so its just weird feelings that drive odds.
Best case scenario is she wins the nomination.
Everyone keeps saying that "Biden's best chance is against Trump".
And while that may be technically true, something people fail to take into account is that under absolutely no circumstances is Trump going quietly.
There's a 0% chance he doesn't run as an independent or write in candidate and split the Republican vote. It's just not going to happen.
And yes, the Republican party could just hand him the nomination and put him up if Nikki wins legitimately, but then they've just disenfranchised everyone that voted for her, everyone that wanted to vote Republican but didn't want to vote for Trump.
And some of those people will vote for Biden, and some may not vote at all.
But as much of a piece of shit as she is, the mess she's making in the Republican party is doing us all a huge favor.
If trump runs as an independent and splits the vote up, and no one ends up getting 270 electoral votes, then the house of representatives gets to choose who to make president by simple majority of 26 out of 50(one vote per state). This currently means that Republicans get to pick, since they control more states.
So basically, if Biden can't hit 270 for any reason at all, Biden loses, and even if Nikki got 80 percent of all the other non Biden votes, the Republicans controlled house could choose to put trump back in, leaving us with a president that we'll over most of America didn't vote for.
Nikki and Trump together only need half the electoral votes, with Biden getting the entire other half, and that will leave a Trump or Nikki win.
leaving us with a president that we'll over most of America didn't vote for.
Keep in mind that in the last 30-something years, Republicans have only won the popular vote once for the Presidency, and that was back in 2004.
Should we be donating to her campaign? Would that money travel further in making sure neither of them win vs. donating to Biden?
Im not going to give either a penny but I am curious what others think.
Even though I disagree with Haley’s platform, I believe she’d leave office at the end of her term. I believe she’d accept the result of an election she’s lost. I believe that she’d behave with a level of decorum appropriate for the office.
So she’s immediately better than Trump simply by not being a fascist monster. Even if the dems lost to her, I wouldn’t have to worry about democracy suddenly ending or concentration camps for immigrants or nuking random countries and leaving NATO or her encouraging everyone to inject bleach and take horse de-worming pills, at least for 4 years.
It's sad that "will behave with decorum and tact" is the bar Republicans continue to struggle to clear.
I agree.
Even barring 3rd party shenanigans leaving dems in control of the WH. Haley will leave when her term is done, trump will not. I’d much rather take my chances on a less than favorable Haley-Biden matchup than make a wild, all-in bet for the future of the republic.
There is nothing about Haley that appeals to me but I hope she manages to pull this off somehow. I will sleep better, that’s for damn sure.
There is nothing about Haley that appeals to me but I hope she manages to pull this off somehow. I will sleep better, that’s for damn sure.
Agreed. I even thought about requesting a Republican ballot this year for the Ohio primary and voting for her.
I'm voting for Biden in the general either way, but I'd still rather have him up against her.
I'm sorry, but I think this whole thread is crazy, Haley could absolutely beat Biden if she somehow managed to get the Republican nomination. Independents will vote against Trump in November because his handling of COVID and January 6 freaked them out, but they don't like Biden at all either and would love to have someone else to vote for. Plus, Haley being a woman will probably go a long ways towards disarming the abortion issue for people who only think about politics for five minutes a year.
Trump could die tomorrow and he would still get a non-trivial number of votes. Diehard MAGA would be talking about how he's not really dead, that he never stopped being president, and that Trump's hair looks amazing.
I'll be willing to bet actual Dollarbucks that he gets write in votes ~10 years or 3 elections after he dies.
Most of his voters will be dead by then
Never underestimate the impact of generational stupidity
There were "elvis sightings" in the tabloids well into the 90's.
What are they gonna do, believe "Big Coroner." The same folks that lied to us about COVID deaths! /S if that wasn't obvious.
There's no way Trump isn't going to run in November. If he get's frozen out by the GOP he'll declare himself a write in candidate, and if he's barred by SCOTUS he'll run Ivanka.
So you're saying Biden in a landslide?
I think there are a great many Republicans who won't vote for a woman for president. Haley would be great for Dems, IMO.
No joke, I don't think it was "The Pyramids were for storing grain so Dinosaurs wouldn't eat them!" thank sunk Dr. Ben Carson, I legitimately believe that many people who only read about the man abandoned him when the debates started solely because they realized he was black
Well Trump has been skinning his base (voters) for money for close to a decade now without really giving them anymore in the wallet while president.
If they haven't figured by now that they're being scammed, they never will. The cult leader can do no wrong.
I mean I'm sure they would've donated more, if Trump had left them any money... His famous "tax cuts" were if you recall actually a tax increase on the less fortunate that make up his most fervent followers for whatever reason.