That statue could only be better if Winnie Pooh was sitting on top of it
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If China didn't censor everything to do with something that totally didn't happen I'm sure they'd be very upset.
Oh man, the tankies are out in force today, aren’t they?
LoL.. I have a relatively limited Blocklist of tankies and therefore do not see any of their drivel anymore. Seriously, just block the names you recognize.. at 20 your Lemmy experience will be much more sane.
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Taiwan is not a country. Where are my social credits!?
Return your credit and visit my country. We will show what the true Chinese culture is. Since the CCP deleted all that after the civil war.
Yes yes, nihao and let's fight against the Koreans and japanese like in ancient times. Bring the fire lances and rocket propelled arrows for the lulz.
lol? Brussels is a gang-infested shithole and this is what they spend money on?
Focus on sorting out our own cities and countries.
Meanwhile, Belgium has several monuments glorifying the colonization of congo but I couldn't find one dedicated to the victims of Léopold II's brutal colonial practices...
1000 upvotes for you. Someone with rational thinking that can see the hypocrisy.
Whataboutism
The students at Tianmenn protested for China becoming democratic and gainst China becoming capitalist. So it is quite strongly linked to Western commercial and colonial interests.
China developed just as the West wanted, by adopting capitalist economics without democratic systems or worse democratic ownership of the means of production.
Just that China then outplayed the West at their own game.
Believe it or not, one can think the Tiananmen massacre was bad, and also think colonization was bad.
I'm just not a fan of countries' moral posturing about other countries' exactions while sweeping their own under the rug. And I'm french, so my own country is definitely part of this shitty hypocritical club.
There's a lot wrong with Western colonization, but this whataboutism is once again out of place.
One difference between contemporary Europe and contemporary China is that the former consists mostly of democracies, and even though they may be imperfect democracies, there is freedom of speech.
For example, you are free to criticise your country's history, the actual politics, or freely express your opinion on any subject you want.
However, if you are organising candlelight vigils in the city of Hong Kong on the anniversary of the Chinese military's crushing of the 1989 protests in Beijing at Tiananmen Square, you go to jail.
Three former organisers of Hong Kong's annual vigil in remembrance of the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests have lost their bid to overturn their conviction. A judge quashed the appeal saying there was enough evidence to uphold the decision. The trio received a four-and-a-half-month sentence last year.
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Yet, you prance about telling everybody that displaying one memorial against an atrocity is worth less if some other (arbitrarily chosen) atrocity isn't admitted and remembered the same way. That's BS. Just as condemning Belgium here when the exhibition is hosted by the EU.
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Virtue signaling from Europe while still supporting israel's Genocide and even inviting them to Eurovision.
Shamelessness knows no bounds.
There can be multiple different people and multiple different motivations within people that do not all need to agree with each other. One person/thought can be good, while others aren't.
That discrepancy alone doesn't discredit the good things, unless they're directly related. In this case, they aren't. Israel's genocide needs to be condemned, but so need to be the events from Tiananmen square.
I hate arguments like yours. It's always like, "you either be perfect or you're the worst scum on Earth". Completely counterproductive. Yes, criticize the bad parts. But don't paint the good things, like this, as bad, it's just unnecessary.
Especially, an art installation at one place has absolutely nothing to do with who decides who goes to a stupid song contest. Wtf.
No supporting Genocide while criticizing others just makes you a giant hypocrite. Europe is not helping do something they are criticizing others
We have no moral high ground to stand on to criticize others anymore. Every single time China starts some BS about their human rights we bring up the Uyghurs and Tianennmen Square.
Now every time we bring up human rights while supporting Genocide we are nothing more than giant hypocrites.
We needs to look in the mirror instead of at China.
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Immediately cutting ties with anyone who doesn't do what you say sounds like a winning strategy.
You'd defend the companies selling weapons to Hitler in WW2 to commit the Holocaust?
Don't you have a bad faith argument to make somewhere else?
Bruh. I'd consider running a genocide to be a special case...
It is a special case and there needs to be a global demand to push back and start sanctions. It's just not going to happen as quickly as people want , nor will rhetoric. A deal needs to be struck which means you when with the asshole. Unless you want to bring in force.
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What about banning imports from any company that is using forced labour?
So no business with the US?
There should be at least some companies that don't rely on prisoners or other companies that use forced labour.
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ehm.. mostly sounds good, but why only imports? Why not ban any sales of products (and services) that use forced labor?
Because the EU can't ban sales of products in China.
I dont know what country you're in but mostly any country has companies that use or buy parts that use forced labour. Its not only imported goods that use it.
Parts are also imports
That's good, however it's again just symbolism. A real signal would be to begin cutting ties with China on a path to end our economical dependency on them.
Rich people never do anything financially adverse so virtue signaling is the only thing that works for them.
Inflation is bad enough as it is.
Unless you're a shareholder or executive like the Arnault family pushing for protectionism in France, we will just be even poorer.
We'll see this finally happening when China attacks Taiwan.
In theory yes, in practice we should then also cut ties with every other nation that committed a massacre or oppressed its population, which… checks notes… would be almost every nation.
Why not Turkey for the Armenian Genocide, why not Australia for the treatment of aboriginal people, why not the USA and Canada for the treatment of indigenous people? Why not Great Britain for conquering half of the planet and enslaving people?
Nobody is saying you have to be perfect. Obviously every past society has flaws and pockmarks. The point is acknowledging past wrongs and seeking reconciliation and seeking to improve.
Denying atrocities makes atrocities worse, because it means you will repeat the errors.
There's a bit of a difference between the likes of Britain, France, the Netherlands, Portugal, etc, who committed atrocities primarily in the days of colonialsm and have since drastically changed — they've acknowledged what they've done, and to my knowledge apologised for it — and China.
China hasn't become less authoritarian since the massacre, doesn't acknowledge it even happened, and certainly hasn't apologised. The sad truth is, they'd likely do it all over again. Because they're just as bad now as they were then.
I hate the "but whatabout..." whenever someone calls out China on murdering their civilians and even committing an ongoing genocide.
If you actually think China and nations such as Britain, Canada, France, Spain, Germany, etc are the same, you frankly need to get your head examined.
why not cut ties because of the people in power? people in power today are not the ones that made these crimes, except china
And also excepting Israel, Kongo, Russia, UAE, Myanmar, Saudi Arabia, South Sudan and still the USA.
And on a side note Xi Jinping, the man in power today, didn’t do the TS massacre, he came to power in 2012
So he should have no problem acknowledging the issue and seeking reconciliation.
Most of these sound quite reasonable, if i think about it.
These were just in the front of my mind at that moment and while it would be morally good if we could flip the finger to them, it would be really stupid. Just losing Russian gas already caused an energy crisis and inflation, completely refusing middle eastern oil, Congolese Cobalt, Copper, Silver, Gold, Diamonds, Uranium etc and the general relations with the USA, a close ally and country with the probably biggest military would not just be crisis-inducing, it would be economical and political suicide.
to be fair losing russian gas accelerated the adoption of better energy sourge at record speed, so it's really was a bad thing?
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