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So a few weeks ago i had a bout with a close friend of mine (autistic nb) who lashed at me because i wasn't supportive enough when they had a rough patch. I agree with this assessment mostly but pointed out to them that as im autistic i couldnt read the room and i was shut down that this is exactly a lot of autistic man's way to make excuses for not putting in any effort to improve their communication.

After that i did a bit of self exploration and i did recognize that i do actually have problems with this (though with reservations that aren't relevant here) and i feel like while most things i am completely able to communicate assertively and even proactively and have been praised for my emotional intelligence multiple times but this communication thing to me still feels like i am just playing cards in my head and my deck is completely unprepared for this scenario - someone going through it and needing support.

So does anyone have any resources (books/articles/anything i can read mostly cause im not a video person) i can start on this?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Honestly, your friend's response frustrates me. Being autistic and having difficulty understanding social situations is not just some excuse, it's literally part of being autistic. Sure, work on it all you want, but if you're autistic there will never be a point in your life where you can intuitively know a person is feeling some type of way. You might be able to tell something is different, but knowing what is actually going on is much more difficult (it's difficult for everyone, but so much worse for autistic people)

Your friend might as well be telling you to learn how to fly. The best you can do is notice there is some change in their behavior and ask what's up. There are some obvious indicators like crying, but even that can be an expression of various emotions. You can try to understand the context, but most likely the things you think are important aren't even relevant.

The real solution here is when your friend needs more support, they should ask for it. They shouldn't lash out at you after the fact, they should ask. If they can't do that because their autism gets in the way, then they should understand that you also have trouble recognizing their distress if they can't even express it clearly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, should clear that up, they explicitly asked for help and described what's the problem, and THEN i froze and didn't really communicate the fact well (+they apologised later for being harsh)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah, that changes things. I still don't think they should suggest you're using autism as an excuse to avoid improving communication. It just feels wrong to criticize you for something that is intrinsic to autism and then say it's an excuse when you point that out.

If someone did that to me I would probably have a fucking meltdown right then lol

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

My teeny bit of advice:

Step 1. If you think there’s any possibility someone’s not feeling well just ask (2 hour minimum interval)

Step 2. If they say they’re fine/ok, take them at face value. If they’re not ok see how you can help.

I find most people (read: mature adults) will appreciate the check in and will understand at a minimum that autism makes it hard to read people well. My experience with autism is definitely that I will shrug off social indicators as “not concrete enough” but just asking people how they’re doing even if you’re often wrong is a clear way of showing that you do care even if your emotional barometer sucks.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

My experience with autism is definitely that I will shrug off social indicators as “not concrete enough” but just asking people how they’re doing even if you’re often wrong is a clear way of showing that you do care even if your emotional barometer sucks.

Yeah that's where i am at, basically i am just guessing how other people feel most of the time and whether im correct depends on how much i have been in an exactly alike situation before. Thanks!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I would say the interval is maximum once a day, any more frequent could be overwhelming

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

Fair. I should clarify that my 2 hour minimum interval only applies when I observe new evidence or source of emotional distress.

It’s also important to remember people have their own emotional sharing thresholds that you need to respect. Some people need to be checked on multiple times and some need to be left alone.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

sometimes people want solutions and sometimes people want "damn that's rough anything i can do to help" asking them this straight up helps me a lot.

things that can help include but are not limited to:

thing to help take mind off thing

help them rant to release pressure

go out for a little treat

"sorry to hear that pal, that's fucked" or similar

check in with them later (this is a big one honestly, people don't expect it these days and does very much show you care)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

taking notes enthusiastically

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don’t have a resource, but you’re not alone in this - I struggle with this too (usually while walking away and going through my mental conversation checklist realizing that I’ve forgotten to ask people about themselves…). I do genuinely care, I just want most social interactions to be over asap and have about a dozen dvd logos bouncing around the corners of my brain lol.

I echo what others have said though. For me it’s like any physical exercise, repetition and training are key. And learning my own boundaries around mental/sensory overwhelm; because if I’m overwhelmed but ask out of obligation and then someone starts talking about their issues, there’s a non-zero chance I’ll immediately glaze over.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Yeah my problem is that i always gravitated towards people who were pouring everything on me without asking because i was way more comfortable reacting to others than leading a convo but now i feel i came to a point where i can't ride it out anymore and even with these kinds of friends my relationships became kinda shallow so i'm trying to up my game. Thanks a lot for the answer!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Boundary setting is really hard, especially when you don't realize a boundary is being crossed. As the other poster said, a lot of practice and repetition to realize what you're comfortable with, and also to be firm enough that the boundary doesn't get crossed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Best wishes on your journey! It takes an effort for sure, good on you for trying

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I solve this the autistic way and just ask people how they want me to support them. It may not be romantic where I automatically know what they need and do it without them telling me, but it can't be wrong if I'm reliant on how they tell me they like to be supported.

I think the book I read that helped me understand communicating was "Feeling good together" by David Burns. I did a lot of the techniques given to make me a better communicator and listener

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

Yeah that's one thing i tried and will probably go back to it since i wasn't making it often enough to stick. Also saved the book! Thanks a lot!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I think directly asking is part of an ideal non-autistic strategy too. There's a huge difference between being 'neurotypical' and being a damned mind reader.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Have you read unmasking autism? I think it's a great resource for you to feel more comfortable and to also recognize the outward signs of stuff not going great for other ND people around you.

Also, it never hurts to ask. My flavor of neurospicy is one that really needs verbal confirmation of things. Sometimes it's awkward when you ask someone "hey, just making sure you're doing OK", because they're indeed OK and now are wondering why you asked. But when I'm not OK and one of my friends checks in on me because they noticed me drifting off in thought or something, it gives me the chance to externalize what's making me feel bad.

Hell, sometimes I didn't even notice I was sensory or emotionally overwhelmed til a friend checked in on me and made me realize that I was not feeling great, and that I could do something about it. So, my advice is to just straight up ask. Talk to your friends about if they would like to be asked and how, but yeah, blunt, clear communication might not be as exciting as other ways of noticing you're not doing so hot, but it's effective.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Thanks, i haven't read but saving it to my reading list.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Not a resource per se. But when I was younger, therapists were kinda frowned upon and a common joke in the zytgeist would be that in the midst of you having a breakdown they'd ask, "so how does that make you feel." So as a kid I just started saying that as a joke which put me in some very awkward situations as people would actually tell me how they felt! Because of this, people tend to think I'm a good listener. And I am, but it wasn't on purpose. data-laughing

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago