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To try to tackle this, the Welsh Labour government, alongside Plaid Cymru, introduced measures to curb second-home ownership. This included giving councils the ability to push council tax on second homes to 300% the usual rate. They also closed a loophole whereby second-home owners could register as a business in order to pay the much lower business rates.

Gwynedd council used these powers to hike council tax to 150% in April 2023. By the end of 2024, house prices had fallen by 12.4% as second-home owners tried to sell up. In Pembrokeshire, house prices fell by 8.9% after the council increased the council tax to 200% on second homes (though this was reduced to 150% recently).

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago

Enforce it retroactively as well. Then use the taxes to pay for community improvement that was voted on by the community.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Interesting. So it sounds like this is an area with a lot of personal vacation homes? They're pretty uncommon in general, so I doubt it would change much where I live.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Note that the UK does not have a property tax, and is unusual in doing so; I recall reading that it is the only G7 member to not do so.

They do have a (mostly flat) council tax, and a transfer tax.

We have a few states in the US that don't, but normally there is an annual percentage tax on the value of a house. That varies by state, but is typically on the order of 1%.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Council tax in the UK is banded based on the size of the property so isn't that the equivalent of the US property tax?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The bands are why I'm saying "mostly" flat. There is a small amount of scaling, but it quickly hits a cap. If you have a mansion, you aren't paying 1% of its value in tax annually.

kagis

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/understand-how-council-tax-bands-are-assessed

In England, the top band's ceiling is 320,000 pounds.

In Wales, 424,000 pounds.

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/wales-68336.html

House prices in Wales have an overall average of Β£441,640 over the last year.

EDIT: The price used is, for Wales, from 2003, so it's typically about half of the current market value, in fairness, but it still illustrates that the thing cuts off at a certain, fairly low level.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Ah got you sorry. I see your point. Thanks

[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Good. Vacation homes should be taxed, and foreigners should get an even bigger tax. Local citizens and businesses should get preferable treatment, so that communities can be more closely knit together. The wealthy are corrosive to society, breaking down many humans for the sake of a few.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

foreigners should get an even bigger tax.

Yeah, the Channel Island of Jersey only allows foreigners to buy property if they had lived in the islands for five years. They are only a handful places in the UK where they have relatively less pressure on housing. Not sure if they still do it though. Regardless, I am all for this.

The wealthy are corrosive to society, breaking down many humans for the sake of a few.

The rich co-opted being against rich, corporate landlords-- or any rich individuals-- from overseas buying local properties and contributing to housing crisis as "racist". I feel like this is talked about less. Instead, actual decent working foreigners are scapegoated.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

"The rich co-opted being against rich, corporate landlords-- or any rich individuals-- from overseas buying local properties and contributing to housing crisis as β€œracist."

It's not racism. It's classism. I don't care care if the rich out of town asshole is white, brown or yellow, I care that they are a rich asshole and they are wrecking things for the rest of us.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 day ago

I have been advocating for triple the real estate taxes on ho.es that are not the primary residence for people. And that only people, not corporations, can own residential single family homes.

And look, it works.

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