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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/voting-and-registration/p20-370.html

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-1980

Boomers weren't the ones who elected Reagan, they were at most 35 at the time.

That's the president that started to fuck things up and it was just the same as usual, older people being more conservative, younger people not showing up to vote.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Both your links gave me 404 errors

They were almost all able to vote in 1980 at 16- 34, and made up a large portion of the population then in 84 they were all able to vote and saw what actions he took the previous election and voted for him more…

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Don't know why the links don't work 🤷

If you look at the actual numbers you realize that it's the people that were older that voted in majority for Reagan and the % of registered electors and voters was higher for older populations.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Copypaste for you:

How Groups Voted in 1980

1980

  1980 Group Carter Reagan Anderson
TOTAL All Voters Pct. 41% 51% 8%
SEX Men 51 38 55 7
Women 49 46 47 7
RACE White 88 36 56 8
African-American 10 83 14 3
Hispanic 2 56 37 7
AGE 18-21 6 45 44 11
22-29 17 44 44 11
30-44 31 38 55 7
45-59 23 39 55 6
60 & over 18 41 55 4
INCOME <$10,000 13 52 42 6
$10 -14,999 14 48 43 8
$15-24,999 30 39 54 7
$25-50,000 24 33 59 8
>$50,000 5 26 66 8
UNION HOUSEHOLD Yes 26 48 45 7
No 62 36 56 8
REGION East 32 44 48 8
Midwest 20 42 52 6
South 27 45 52 3
West 11 36 54 10
PARTY Democrat 43 67 27 6
Republican 28 11 85 4
Independent 23 31 56 13
POLITICAL PHILOSOPHY Liberal 17 60 28 1  
Moderate 46 43 49 8
Conservative 28 23 73 4

Notes: Survey by CBS News and the New York Times. Sample of 15,201 voters as they left voting booths on Election Day, November 4, 1980.  “Don’t know” and “other” responses not included.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

And then in 1984 they voted for Reagan even more

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-1984

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Voting and Registration in the Election of November 1980

Within Data April 1982

Report Number: P20-370

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Also flying to Vietnam for a government paid vacation when they were 18 years old.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (6 children)

A lot of boomers missed Vietnam as even in 1975 some boomers were only 11 years old

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Baby boomers are 1946-1964 Gen X is 1965-1980 Gen Y is 1981-1996 Gen Z is 1997-2012 Gen alpha is 2013- present

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Shhhh, the primary social media population wants to believe life was a breeze until they came along.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It was kind of a breeze in comparison to now, no? My dad bought his first house for $37,000 when the average salary was $15,000. I just bought a house and couldn't find one within an hour for under $420,000... The average salary around here is apparently $55,000

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But is it also the average household salary? Most boomers were single income. Then in the late eighties early nineties people realized that you could get higher mortgages in a double income, and as a result houses got a lot more expensive. Also, interest rates have declined a lot since the eighties, which also allowed people to borrow more.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That just adds to my point? It doesn't matter why it happened, housing is significantly more expensive compared to income. But since you brought it up, let's do the math.

$15,000 average salary, single income, $37,000 house. That's about 30 months salary.

$55,000 average salary, dual income ($110,000), $420,000 house. That's 45 months salary. With both people working.

So....yeah, seems like "the basics" are a lot harder to achieve nowadays than they were in the 80s.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's also forgetting the Korean war, and several smaller wars in between (Panama, Honduras).

Vietnam was bad, but don't forget so easily that we only just got out of the longest running war the US was ever been in, and it wasn't Boomers or Gen X fighting in it. It spanned two generations. Now, because there US just can't not be involved in a conflict, we're casting about trying to find a good enemy; I think the next one will be with a developed country. We've realized that we don't do so well with insurgencies, so maybe Russia or China. Or, maybe India and Pakistan will finish everything for us! They both have nukes, and China isn't just going to sit there while they trade nukes across the border.

Anyway, it's a little depressing that y'all have already written off the 800,000 veterans who fought in Afghanistan as being unworthy of notice.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The Korean War “ended” in 1953 the oldest boomer would have been 7 year olds, about half of them were the right age for Vietnam but even with that only about 2.7m served in some capacity for the Vietnam war with a lot in non combat roles there were 76m baby boom era so less than 4%

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Fair comment about the Korean war; I incorrectly mentally lump it together with the Vietnam war as part of the general "war on communism," and it wasn't the boomers.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago (6 children)

There was no oil crisis, no cold war, no economic crash in the 80s, no housing shortage in the 80s, no rampant crime!

The 70/80s where glorious!

/Sssss

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago

We didn't start the fire

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 days ago

Spend all of their own parents inheritance, leave nothing for their own kids, talk about how they had to work their way up from nothing.

[–] [email protected] 188 points 2 days ago (1 children)

peace out

Spend their retirement calling the cafeteria staff at Luby’s racial slurs and saying trans kids and drag queens are evil.

[–] [email protected] 96 points 2 days ago (2 children)

And voting for people that will make everyone's life hell and ensure that no one else will ever get to experience the quality of life that they did.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

They didn't just pull up the ladder behind them, they have a ladder propulsion system that will launch it into space

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Not to sound ageist, but I firmly believe voting privileges should be revoked when you retire.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

I'm not sure about voting but probably about being elected

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wonder if you'll still firmly believe that when you retire.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't trust anyone with one foot in the grave to make long term decisions that benefit young people more than themselves any more than I trust a small child to make sound logical laws about bedtime.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

If you need to wait 18 years to vote you shouldn't be able to vote once you are 18 years from average life expectancy (as in life expectancy is 80, you can vote until you're 62, not after).

Imagine how much focus would be put on healthcare if that were the case...

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah, my mother was able to earn a bachelor's degree (iirc? either that or an associates), paying for it by working as a cashier at McDonalds.

The fucking eighties, man.

My anger as I approach my thirties, unable to afford college even when I was working full time (before I lost my job), can not be overstated.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You can still do that if you live in a first world country... Yes, I'm implying what I'm implying.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Lemmy, every 5 seconds:

guys are you aware the united states sucks

guys
guys

I don't think you're aware

the US sucks

guys

listen

hey

the US sucks

did you know that?

guyssssss

like, yes, I get it, we suck, but also it's exhausting being unable to emigrate anywhere and being constantly reminded of how much suck I get to endure for the rest of forever.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

And dint forget, no matter who you voted for you're still a dirty American and FUCK YOU for existing at a time when your country sucks more than usual. It doesn't matter how you voted or what your beliefs are.

And also if you can't move out of the country it's your fault for not..... Something. I guess.

And also depending on what community you're in, SUPER FUCK YOU for deciding to leave your country instead of fixing it.

And of course, as we can already see, every single shortcoming of your country is CLEARLY your fault or at the very least you deserve to be punished for your country being shitty in any way, whether it started long before you were born or not.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 days ago (3 children)

That's what happens when your country won't shut up about how great they are. Or rather, won't shut up full stop.

"USA! USA! USA! NUMBER ONE!" Is so fucking annoying, of course non-Americans remind you you're only number one in percentage of the population in prison.

America is a shit country that feeds its population "patriotic" propaganda from the day they are born until the day they die. You literally make a pledge every day at school. That's cult behaviour.

Lemmy just opens your eyes to the rest of the world, where you're no longer in the bubble of America. Lemmy isn't the problem, you're just finally hearing the voices of those outside the USA, unfiltered.

This is from Scotland, in 1983, the sentiment now hasn't changed much.

I'm sorry that this comment is so harsh because you're just tryna live your life and already sound down about being told how shit your country is. But Americans need reminded that we don't "hate ya cuz we ain't ya" or jealous or whatever, as a nation you're just insufferably obnoxious and commit heinous crimes whilst making out you're the saviour of the world, the good guys, the world police. When you're institutionally arseholes. You won't even submit to international criminal courts or uphold most human rights. America is a bully nation that is finally reaping what it's sown.

If you're an American reading this and you're fucking fuming at what I've said and want to throw hands, good. Use that anger to create positive change in this world. Organise unions, strike in solidarity, stand up for others, become politically active, change your country for the better. Stop enabling greedy consumerist behaviour and excusing rapists, racists, and murderers. You may just be one person, what can you do? But I'm just some dude on the other side of the planet having a bored rant whilst taking a shit and I've managed to get you to read all this. Do something to improve your community, encourage others to do the same, many many incremental changes combined can make a large difference. Finally fucking live up to the tagline "land of the brave", because you sure as shit don't deserve it so far.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

I wouldn't call it peacing out, there's quite a lot of not-peace for that

[–] [email protected] 87 points 2 days ago (2 children)

We're a 1950's 91% top-tier tax rate away from the same.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's amazing how often this gets mentioned. In truth almost nobody paid that tax rate because it applied only to salaries. Rich people have always gotten most of their income from capital gains (which were taxed at a low rate in the 1950s, just like today).

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It applies to income, not salaries, and it applies to corporate income as well as personal income. Nobody needs to pay it for it to achieve its purpose. Indeed, nobody should be paying it, ever.

You have a choice. I'll give you $900 for you to do anything you want with. Alternatively, I'll give you $10,000, but you can only spend it on something that you can convince me is something you need for your business.

You can buy $900 of GOOG, or you can spend $10,000 on a bunch of electronics. You can buy $900 of AAPL, or spend $10,000 "entertaining clients" at a strip club.

You can buy $900 worth of stocks, or purchase goods and services produced by workers.

Nobody is taking the $900 here. Everyone is taking the $10,000. Nobody is paying 91% on $10,000 over the line. You can get much more value from your large "business" spending than you can get from your small investment.

Now, if the numbers are $6300 on anything, or $10,000 on business, a lot of people are going to take the $6300. This is a top-tier of 37%.

$7500 on anything, or $10,000 on business, most people are going to take the $7500. This is a top-tier of 25%.

The 91% tax rate isn't for the government to spend more money. The 91% tax rate is to ensure the richest among us get greater value from hiring workers than they do from buying securities.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (7 children)

You frame it like those are the only two choices. They aren’t. The third choice is capital flight.

People constantly forget that governments don’t have godlike tax enforcement powers. In the real world people avoid taxes via a million different avenues. Absconding with their money for greener pastures is a last resort but it happens constantly.

Take China for example. Taxes are way lower than the US yet capital flight is such a huge problem that the government has enacted Capital controls. Yet capital flight from China continues largely unabated.

So what this means in practice is that if you want to have a 91% top corporate tax rate in the US without a gargantuan capital flight problem you’re going to need a government that is way more powerful and draconian than either the US or China is right now.

Now you might say “what if I just let everyone go and get the money back when they try to sell things to the US?” Well that’s basically what the US under Trump is doing right now, via tariffs. But then you tack on the capital flight beforehand and that means all the big companies, all the great jobs, leave the country before prices skyrocket. This is how you impoverish the US to third world status.

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