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This is another good reminder to not use VMware nor VirtualBox for any reason.
this post was submitted on 08 May 2025
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I’m out of the loop. Why not virtualbox?
Because Oracle sucks donkey balls.
One Rich Asshole Called Larry Ellison.
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Isn't VMWare out of support anyway?
Not that I fault the users of it - a perpetual license is a perpetual licence and good luck with the C&D, but there are other options. Though I only know of OpenShift on RHEL.
Broadcom is where previously good softwares go to die.
Proxmox, Nutanix, Canonical and Incus must be quite happy with the new customers.
Proxmox is amazing.
I really want to use Nutanix but they are the same price as VMware VCF and they don't support my existing hardware so I'd have to buy all new servers, just to pay the same price.
Proxmox ftw
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We told them to go fuck themselves. We retain lawyer specifically in case we have legal concerns, and the way we use their products, price jack up would be so extreme that it’s entirely worth risking it while we migrate away.
Did Fraudcom hire Prenda Law or something?
Threatening to sue your customers is such a brilliant business move.
Especially those who are perfectly in the right legally and morally.
The RIAA special
It's also the business model of Oracle I think and they are wildly successful.
Right? That's what encouraged me to sail the high seas.
I think it had something to do with Broadcom wanting to go for a few big customers and don't want to deal with the small fry anymore.
Surely no competitors will grow in the small and medium business market to eventually be a competitor...
Broadcom knows they bought a dying platform. Their strategy is to isolate the customers incapable of ever migrating and charge them as close to near bankruptcy as possible. They’ll get their initial return on investment in under 5 years and then eventually just let VMware die because new businesses that are still nimble all moved to other platforms anyway. They’ll hit Lotto tickets with a few whales and keep 5-10 devs on to patch stuff for those whales and print 100-1000x return on costs in perpetuity.
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That seems unlikely to persuade those people to continue using VMware, but good luck with that business strat Broadcom.
Broadcom is doing an excellent job convincing their customers to stop using VMware. Such a good job that at Red Hat we've shifted strategies with OpenShift Virtualization to pick up those customers. For the longest time our Virt play was just a stop gap to containers, now it's a full blown product.
Kudos! I wish you the best of luck and hope for your success.
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Sounds like a them problem if their software won't refuse to update without an active contract. If it keeps working and being able to be updated then it's on them.
That's the thing, it doesn't do updates. This is just to scare people into paying.
The article says the letter demanded they uninstall updates to the point before their contract ended.
It also says this same letter has been going out to users days after their contracts expired, regardless of whether any updates had been installed and even if the user had migrated to another service.
Exactly, if their software keeps working and allowing updates and they don't know what the end user is doing then it's a them problem. If they didn't bake in telemetrics to know what version each license key is using then it's on them.
They probably have a good cease and desist on Broadcomm for automatically installing updates on their system against the contract.
Where would we be without predatory rent-seeking?
Someone's going to make a fortune migrating firms off VMWare onto open-source VMs.
Man could you imagine what proxmox would be if that project got just a tenth of the money VMware got?
Classic prisoners dilemma. Nobody wants to invest in proxmox because not enough people invest in proxmox.
Everybody is moving to Openshift or public cloud
Openshift is a kubernetes platform isn't it?
There's still a need for real VMs, and I didn't think openshift filled that.
Yeah, it's a distro of kubernetes.
Most apps run best as a container, but for appliances and legacy apps they have Openshift virtualization which runs VMs in the cluster by running KVM inside of docker.
The open source tech there is called Kubevirt. All VMs are 1st class citizens in the kubernetes API, so it is actually easier to run than VMware/Proxmox if you already have a Kubernetes cluster and you're not doing complex stuff with qcow images or VM migrations.
I use both containers and VMs a lot with Kubernetes at work.
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Honestly I think if Proxmox got VMWare money then they’d become stuffed to the gills with business sharks and probably go the same route eventually.
That is not a Proxmox problem, that is a capitalism problem.
You should take a look at Canonical's LXD. They've been investing in it pretty heavily and can definitely rival proxmox.
The web based UI is superb and I've never had issues with the CLI which is quite a contrast to my experience with proxmox
Except then you'd be stuck with Canonical.
Yeah...I rank Canonical roughly where Google was like 20 years ago. They're still mostly good...but that's highly likely to change.
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Proxmox is already perfect (for my use case)
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