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That's the right thing to do. Making it easy for people to accept that they were wrong makes it much easier to pull support from the opposing party. If you constantly ridicule, mock or insult them, they are much more likely to stick with their opinion simply because they do not want to accept that you were right.
A vast majority on lemmy should learn this aswell.
A vast majority on lemmy should learn this aswell.
from what i’ve seen, yes people are angry but people are willing to accept apologies that aren’t based entirely in leopards eating faces… you don’t get a pass for your shitty ignorant behaviour just because that behaviour comes to bite you in the ass
you get to apologise and have it accepted if you’ve seen the harm that’s been done to other people and are genuinely remorseful
And when these trump voters vote for republicans again, democrats will blame the left. Again.
Too bad I don't know any that stop drinking the kool-aid (flavor aid), they still think that hurting liberals makes hurting conservatives worth it.
As much as it's fun to say fuck you I told you so, you catch more flies with honey. We need to make it easy to leave the cult and not make people double down just because they feel ashamed or feel like they have to defend something. The goal, while enticing, is not to rub people's nose in the shit they admittedly helped create. The goal should be to get rid of this motherfucker and reverse everything he's done.
Seems to be a division here based on the (ex)Trumpanzee's sincerity vs not.
My thought is who gives a shit if they're sincere? The goal isn't to convert them, it's to defeat Trump and people like Trump - if a former Trump voter can be used against him, I have no issues at all with at least pretending to accept that that person is having an authentic denazification. Whether or not they're truly capable of self reflection is kinda moot
No we don't. MAGAts are fucking stupid. They knew what they voted for and got EXACTLY what they were told they were voting for.
Perhaps but any kind of effective resistance needs widespread support from anywhere we can get it
Trump voters love to "own the libs".
Is the liberal version of "owning the libs" also "owning the libs"? 🤔
This sort of delusional and aggressive thinking just drives division.
The reality is, most people don’t make educated decisions at the polls. It’s knee jerk reaction to the economy
And "being the bigger man" before got us to where we are now. Give them an inch and they take a mile.
The dude instigated 1-6. He is a felon. The economy has nothing to do with it.
The reality is, most people don’t make educated decisions at the polls. It’s knee jerk reaction to the economy
Yes, and that's childish and fucking moronic. Do better. I'm admittedly one to over-prepare in general, but I genuinely cannot comprehend why anyone would CHOOSE to not know anything about what they're voting for. "Oh, I don't like following politics". Well, tough shit dumbass; I don't like feeling like I'm stuck in the geopolitical equivalent of a high school group project with the asshole jock who can't be arsed to do his portion of the fucking presentation but here we fucking are.
The situation is dire enough that no, I'm not saying we should turn these folks away. We need all the help we can get. But I'll be lying to them when I tell them I forgive them. I don't think I ever truly will.
This isn't partisan, you're fighting human nature here. Most people aren't that politically engaged. How many people were surprised Biden wasn't on the ballot?
Most people aren't following politics, they follow a vibe that they think about every few years and then go on not worrying about. Things have to get really bad before the average person thinks critically about their political representation beyond sports tribalism.
Every convert is +2, don't disincentivize that.
Instead of "if you're not with us, you're against us",
It's "as long as you're against them, you can be with us."
And frankly, that's what we need right now.
First past the post voting is fucking garbage but this is how you're supposed to engage it; it's NEVER EVER EVER EVER going to be good for supporting the lesser of two evils.
Instead, the best thing it can ever do is punish the greater evil
And these are VERY DIFFERENT GOALS.
If people were voting to punish the Trump campaign, Kamala would have won.
Notably, people very much voted to punish Kamala instead. Even the ones on the left. And boy did we show her -_- now we ALL get to suffer.
It's "as long as you're against them, you can be with us."
Cool, I'm with 'Nazis, Pedophiles, and Rapists AGAINST drumpf', let's meet up, I'll bring the gang.
In all seriousness, these people have been cheering on the most heinous shit for years now. Feel free to reconcile with that at your own risk, but leave me tf out.
Listen, if I have a chance to meet up with Nazis, pedos, and rapists, that means they're all gathered to the same place and I can rid the world of a LOT OF SCUM at the mere cost of my own life and some volatile equipment. Not many people have a chance to do so much good in their life or death for that matter. Let them think they're welcome until they're no longer useful. And by that I mean immediately.
It's never to late to do the right thing.
Fuck that. Dems ALWAYS have to be the bigger person because MAGAts are too stupid to see what is actually going on. I’m done bailing their asses out. I’ll NEVER forgive them for doing this, even if they vote Dem in every election for the rest of their lives. I hope they all get exactly what they voted for.
If they’re truly remorseful THEY can fix it first, THEN talk about lessening our hatred for them.
Fuck that. Dems ALWAYS have to be the bigger person because MAGAts are too stupid to see what is actually going on.
No, this is the part where democrats have lost because they moved to the right and have decided that what they really need to do as a result is to move to the right.
Dems are not the bigger person, they are delusional like the Republicans they claim to hate.
There is a path to redemption, and recognizing your past mistakes is part of that.
If they're genuinely apologetic and recognize they made a terrible choice, then yes... Welcome back to reality.
not hating misled trump voters is actually a really good idea and more people need to try it
not saying that the actually insane ones arent worth hating, but some people are just maga bc everyone they know is
What should we do with the ones who voted to hurt others but now want to change sides because they're being hurt too? Should we ignore the very likely possibility they'll jump right back to the other side when the Republicans backpedal just enough to no longer look so blatantly shameless? Let them turn against Trump on their own, I just want to keep my distance from these people before they likely disappoint us in the next election cycle.
Everyone makes mistakes, those that can admit it are rare. Those that can forgive rarer still. And both should be role models.
Be the change you want to see.
Edit: I mean it as a challenge to the rest of us
Always words to live by