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Great game, great series
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Fahrenheit is better.
0 is real cold, 100 is real hot. How much sense does that make? Lots.
What the fuck is Celsius? Maybe if you are doing chemistry it is better. 0 is kind of cold but not really, 40 is real hot, 80 is unsued in practice, 100 is when water boils. Great, that'll come in real handy the next time I need to find out whether it is boiling-water temperature or not outside. How much sense does that make? 0. Which is the right number to use for roughly the bottom of the scale.
For everything else, the US's medieval "how many hogsheads in a farthing" units are far inferior, I will 100% agree. Fahrenheit is better though. If you disagree then why not just use Kelvin, that's even more chemically accurate and even less related to human relevant temperatures which is the goal I guess.
What the fuck is Celsius?
Celsius is the temperature scale of water.
One milliliter of water occupies one cubic centimeter, weighs one gram, and requires one calorie of energy to heat up by one degree Celsius; which is one percent of the difference between its freezing point and its boiling point.
There's never gonna be a universally good unit for energy. Calories work well for heat, watt hours for stored or metered electrical energy, even electron volts for certain quantum physics. Plus the actual SI standard of joules.
Hate to break it to you, but I am not one cubic centimeter of water though
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100 to 1 relation kinda breaks the beauty a bit. But yeah, metric system is easy.
It's still convenient not due to some inherent laws, but because it was designed to be that.
So people used to counting non-trivial things in non-metric systems might a bit better understand what they are thinking about.
Also, eh, the obvious forgotten trait, 0 by Celsius being the freezing temperature (of some ideally clean distilled water, not really) is very convenient. 20 deg - normally hot, 15 deg - kinda normal, 10 deg - a bit chill, 5 deg - chill, 0 deg - definitely should wear more than a t-shirt, -5 deg - boring winter, -10 deg - crisp winter, -15 deg - good winter, -20 deg - how winter should be. The symmetry.
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I don't know about you but I do not only use temperature in order to know if my body is hot or if outside is cold or not. I usually use temperature scales in order to know if my computer is hot, my car/bike engine, my food, water for cooking, water for showering, and sometimes since all life is water based I like to know if my food is freezed or is boling. And since at sea level water freezes at 0°C and boils at 100°C (damn how cool!), then I have an scale that I can use for weather but at the same time for everything else it's very intuitive to use in an habitat where all life depends on water. Cook this at 120: oh okay the recipe wants me to boil water I may not even need to measure the water because when it starts boiling that's it.
Having water as a reference is quite normal if you are going to need a scale for more than just forecasting weather, like, for everything else.
I don’t know about you but I do not only use temperature in order to know ... if outside is cold or not
Yeah what maniac would care about something like that
I usually use temperature scales in order to know if my computer is hot, my car/bike engine, my food
Oh, I see, the things that everyone uses temperature for all the time. Perfect sense.
I like to know if my food is freezed or is boling
You all are doing a terrible job of selling me on Celsius here.
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Despite the downvotes, you are absolutely correct.
Let’s all start out agreeing that units of measurement (distance, length, weight, etc.) in the US is absolutely idiotic. I will back up every European who says this, 100%. Miles, inches, pounds, pints, quarts, fractions; it’s a mess. Objectively, if I remove all my cultural biases (I’m American) metric is just better. A lot better. No question.
And when we are talking about scientific pursuit, and probably cooking too, Celsius is a great unit of measure.
But ambient temperature, the temperature of the environment, Fahrenheit is better. It covers the range of human experience and neatly ties it to a 1-100 scale. It’s a “how hot is it” scale. Celsius’ -18 – 38 degrees just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense when describing the temperatures you will experience during 99% of your time on earth. Further, Celsius’ units are slightly too big to useful, I’ve seen weather reports in Europe say the expected temperature to a 10th of a degree, while Fahrenheit is granular enough not to need to.
Metrics base ten is great when it comes to distance and weight. And it accurately allows for relative comparison (ten meters is twice that of five.) But ambient temperature does not work like that; 20 degrees is not twice that of 10, and the base 10 units doesn’t effectively exist for temperature.
To all those who will downvote me, I get it. You’re very used to being on the objectively right side of sanity re: units of measurement and rightfully so. But I ask you to set aside your cultural bias and muscle memory for a moment and objectively think about what range of measurement makes more sense for ambient temperature and ambient temperature only.
Put another way, with Celsius, one has to be accustomed to the possible range of values. With Fahrenheit, most people understand 1-100 intuitively.
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I like in a Celsius country but have switched all my digital thermometers to F for exactly this reason. It's just more intuitive, and I happen to like it at 70F, so below that convenient number is cool, and above it is warm.
Ah yes, 32 degrees Fahrenheit intuitively tells me I need to watch out for ice. Very nice, makes a ton of sense.
I went out walking, looking for one sensible person. Just one. Thank you.
"Oh god it's 31 degrees outside I can't stand it" -Statements dreamt up by the utterly deranged
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Uh... 0C is also real cold. 100C is also real hot.
0C is not real cold
It's cold enough to be concerned about ice on the road, which is more relevant information than fahrenheit ever provides.
The whole "0 is cold, 100 is hot" argument is just a subjective preference anyway. Having 100 as your "hot" point instead of 38 doesn't provide any actual benefit. It's just a number you're used to.
Buddy if I can go outside in nothing but my underwear to take a swim and shoot my smith & wessons and drink an ice cold miller light then it ain't cold.
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I might not agree with you but I respect you for taking the defense of the freedom units on a yuropean post.
RIP we will bury your mangled corpse 182.88 centimeters under ground.
Yeah I already understood what would happen and it is happening lol.
Like Opus said, if a million people do a stupid thing, it is still a stupid thing.
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Sigh.
There is no temperature scale that is better than the other when it comes to how you define a comfortable temperature.
Doing that is all about what you are used to.
Arguing about weather to not the waether is hot/cold outside at 23 is just a matter of what the numbers mean to you.
Looking at science, C is better than F, simply because C uses are simpler definition, K is even better since it starts ar absolute zero.
K is however a more annoying scale to use for normal/human temps.
The C/F debate is just damn annoying at this point, neither side will be able to convince the orher that they are right.
Just learn a few basic points on the scale in the other scale.
K is however a more annoying scale to use for normal/human temps
C is just K with zero set at “it feels moderately cold.”
The definition of C has nothing to do with feelings.
Yes it does.
Fahrenheit decided that we should use a scale based on what humans feel like is the full range of sensible temperatures, with that range set to 0 through 100.
Celsius decided that we should use a scale based on what liquid water feels like is the full range of sensible temperatures, with that range set to 0 through 100.
Kelvin decided that we should use a scale based on what atoms feel like is the the full range of sensible temperatures, with that range set to 0 through NaN (exception thrown).
So, chemists the world over like to use one of a couple of different scales depending on whether they are primarily concerned with the world defined by water, or the world defined by atoms, because it's convenient to use scales that are generally aligned with the feelings and behaviors of the entities you are concerned with.
And then sometimes humans come into the room, and say hey those are cool but also I'd like to use a scale that is generally aligned with the feelings and behaviors of humans, and for some reason everyone in this thread falls down on the ground and starts screaming and wailing, saying they are wrong and stupid for wanting to do that.
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K is however a more annoying scale to use for normal/human temps.
I just want you to ponder on that statement for a bit
Now imagine that you live on a planet where everyone outside your country uses Kelvin and swears it is normal
That is fair, but we don't live on a planet like that.
So my argument stands for this planet.
However, lets look a bit closer at a world like that and it would be used.
In daily life I doubt that people would say:
Take it slow now, it is slippery, the temp just dropped to two hundred and seventy three point fifteen degrees out!
People would probably say something like:
Take it slow now, it is slippery, the temp just dropped to freezing!
Or during the summer, peeps would not say:
Perfect weather, two hundred and ninety six degrees, slow breeze and scattered clouds!
They would probably shorten it to:
Perfect weather, ninety six degrees, slow breeze and scattered clouds
during the summer, peeps would not say:
Perfect weather, two hundred and ninety six degrees, slow breeze and scattered clouds!
They would probably shorten it to:
Perfect weather, ninety six degrees, slow breeze and scattered clouds
You've almost got it! Now talk about the opposite problem where all the temperatures are at weird low values and 0 is in the wrong place
Skill issue/culture dependent
For me: < 0 ice out, 1-10 chilly, 11-20 comfy, 21-30 warm, > 30 hot.
Simple as
No, it's not better. Nor is it worse per see, it's just a matter of being used to it. The advantage of using Celsius in day to day stuff is just that I don't need to learn and convert two different scales. Because we all do chemistry every day (unless you don't cook. In that case, learn to cook, it's quite the skill).
I’ll counter the cooking argument with the following; you already have to learn different measurements even if it’s all nominally in Celsius degrees because cooking temperatures and ambient temperatures do not overlap. That there’s no real reason a degree in the same unit is helpful when knowing 30 degrees C is “hot” and chicken needs to be cooked to 74 degrees C, or bread at 190. They are already different things.
I have no idea how your mind works, but just because those margins don't overlap doesn't mean they're not on the same scale. That's just not how scales and math work.
I’m saying there is literally zero advantage to ambient temperature and cooking temperature being on the same scale. There’s no actionable information gained by knowing that shorts weather is 20C and chicken needs to be cooked to 74C. You wouldn’t ever, say, need to increase the temperature of chicken 54C because it is 20C out. They are mathematically on the same scale, and can use the same units of measurement, but if they do it’s coincidental. Effectively they are different things.
I wouldn’t advocate for a different system of ambient temperature measurement but for the fact that Fahrenheit already exists. I feel confident that I’ve outlined pragmatic advantages, more than simply “I’m used to it.”
I do pastry with butter, and pralines (chocolate bonbons), the ambiant temperature and the temperature of the products are very highly correlated.
It makes a huge difference if i'm trying to make the same recipe in a somewhat controlled environment during the winter when the thermostat regulates the temperature, and during the warm summer months where it can be easily 5 to 8 degrees warmer in the kitchen (no A/C in my house).
No doubt, ambient temperature can make a difference, especially in baking. I’m glad you brought up that point. But I guess what I’m saying is that it is not a direct 1:1 comparison. If it’s 5° warmer in your house and you have to add 5° to the final cooking temperature, that would be a direct correlation but if you’re saying it’s 5° hotter in your house therefore you need to bake something for x% longer, the scale at which you measured your home temperature is immaterial.
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I’m saying there is literally zero advantage to ambient temperature and cooking temperature being on the same scale.
But there's also no disadvantage. Also, we're measuring more temperatures than just weather and cooking. And having everything on the same scale makes it just convenient and relatable to each other. We have a feeling for what's hot and what not just by seeing a number, because we know and use that scale for everything.
wouldn’t advocate for a different system of ambient temperature measurement but for the fact that Fahrenheit already exists.
I mean, I grew up on Celsius and never came into contact with Fahrenheit before the age of 17 or something. It didn't exist to me before that, I had no disadvantage before knowing it existed, nothing was missing, etc.
I feel confident that I’ve outlined pragmatic advantages, more than simply “I’m used to it.”
Cannot confirm.
I get what you’re trying to say, and I don’t fully disagree with you. But your point about what a temperature “feels” like actually illustrates my point. We both know what a ten degree swing feels like in our respective measurements, but I would say that that feeling means nothing in regard to 10° difference in cooking temperatures. The feeling you would use to know if your steak is overdone or underdone is not the same feeling as it being shorts weather versus sweater weather.
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Did you wander into the wrong neighborhood mate? Fuck that useless unit. Celsius FTW.
I dunno, Celsius is intuitive, but that's an argument they make in favor of some imperial units. Kelvin is more logical.
Fahrenheit is just unneeded though.
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