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The other day, my parents asked me (22M) if there were any women that I find attractive (I guess because they're paranoid about me being gay lol) and I told them yes, there's a fair number of women that I've seen in public that I've found attractive.

They asked me, "Do you talk to any of them?" and I said "No??? It's inappropriate to approach women in public unless you have business with them."

I told them that it is only appropriate for a man to talk to a woman he doesn't know when the social situation is explicitly designed for meeting strangers—dating apps, hobby groups, meeting friends of friends, etc. In my view, cold approaching women you don't know just because you're attracted to them is harassment.

My parents told me that I'm being ridiculous and making excuses because I'm nervous. They are adamant that I need to learn to approach women or else I will never find a partner. I told them that times have changed and this is disrespectful and potentially predatory behavior along the lines of unsolicited flirting and catcalling. Approaching women is a violation of their personal space and could make them feel very uncomfortable, especially if they feel like they don't have an easy way out.

My parents are almost 60 and they are very conservative, so they don't exactly follow progressive discourse, and I feel like they're super out of touch on this as a result. Particularly, my mom tends to strike up conversations with other women in public, and she's skeptical when I tell her that I can't do the same thing because I'm a man and would be viewed as a potential predator.

But I also don't get out much, which makes me second-guess how distorted my understanding of the social world is from reality. My parents are like a broken clock, and sometimes they DO have a point about something despite 90% of their opinions being insane. Maybe there is a more nuanced reality that I'm not picking up on.

So I wanted to ask here. Are my parents out of touch? Am I out of touch? Are we both wrong? I want to know your opinion.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's pretty clear what the consensus is here. Yes, talk with women. You can even (politely) hit on women you fancy. Based on your statement about yourself it's unlikely you would be pushy and threatening if she said no, but still, just understand when to stop.

Next question is how to get there from where you are. You're scared you would be seen as a threat, harassing women just by talking to them out of the blue. So you doubtless have little experience talking with women. That's where you are.

I see two possible paths to take. Which one is right depends on why you feel that way. If it's an emotional issue, like if you (for instance) start shaking and sweating at the thought of walking up to a woman and introducing yourself, then maybe start by talking with a therapist. They can be really helpful. On the other hand if you are just nervous because you don't know how to talk with a woman then look into learning how to make small talk. It's actually a skill. It's something you can learn. And once you have learned it and practiced it enough that you are comfortable with it, then approaching and talking with a woman is just about starting and having a conversation. You can even practice with guys if it makes you more comfortable. A quick google search produces a bunch of good ideas on how to start.

Now you have homework. Learn how to carry a conversation. Learn to make people feel comfortable around you. Learn to actually be interested in other people. It shows and it makes a difference.

EDIT: In a reply to another comment you mentioned severe violence in your childhood and the resultant fear as a major deterrent in approaching people. That's definitely something to see a therapist about. You can work through stuff like that in time. And you'll be amazed how much more free you feel once you have.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Learning how to engage and socialize with people of both sexes is a necessary skill. As long as your not being a toxic mess in front of them, you're fine.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

If I am not in a place hoping to strike up convo I would not like anyone coming up to me trying to do so. If I'm shopping or eating or getting my car some tires... the last thing I want is some stranger coming anywhere near me.

Were I at a bar or some social event then yes that'd be fine.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

When your parents say, "did you talk to any of them," they mean did you strike up a conversation with a woman with no presumption of potential romantic outcome.

When you say it, it seems like you're assuming there's a potential for a romantic outcome in every conversation between heterosexual men and women.

Your goal should be to strike up a conversation with a woman about random topics of interest, including very shallow ones, with no expectation that you're evaluating her as a potential mate, and she's not evaluating you.

Yes, we're all subject to intrusive thoughts so from time to time, you'll fail at this goal and start thinking about a romantic path. That's fine. Just acknowledge it to yourself and endeavor to do better.

It will probably take time and practice. Give yourself grace to try and fail and learn. You'll know you're succeeding when you realize you had a conversation with a woman without her gender being a consequential thought in your mind.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

Please approach women in public. It's okay.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

It's a skill you have to learn.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don’t mind if a man initiates a conversation with me. I don’t mind if anyone initiates a conversation with me. I only mind when I use words like, “no, thank you”, and they persist. Listen to the word NO.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

I think if you talking to another person in a public place is automatically seen as a predator we failed as humans. Might as well be robots...it's absolutely a good thing to talk to people

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Time to prank your parents. If you have a muncher older friend, have them approach your mom and start hitting on her. Later that night ask her about her day.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

First, the mother has been dealing with idiots all her life. She'll probably humiliate the friend more than she'll be bothered.

Second, if the friend is really dumb, they'll get arrested.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Basically, you're right and thank you for acting that way. Your parents are wrong.

This could depend where you are from. I'm from France and a bit of chit-chat with a stranger is not a bad thing to me. But if a male stranger try a bit too hard to stir up a conversation, I would feel ackward, mostly because I'll "fear" they are trying to hit on me, which is not okay for a stranger to do out of nowhere.

But at the same time if you try to make friend with more women, maybe one day, you'll find a partner in one of them. If you genuinly try to make connection with a woman in a non-sexual and non-romantical way and after sometime, you feel like having another kind of relation, it is totally different and not creepy at all.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

But at the same time if you try to make friend with more women, maybe one day, you’ll find a partner in one of them. If you genuinly try to make connection with a woman in a non-sexual and non-romantical way and after sometime, you feel like having another kind of relation, it is totally different and not creepy at all.

This is terrible advice. Don't listen to it OP! She's sending you down the nice guy friend zone trap!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Where is the trap? There have been tons of women in my life that if celircumstances were (totally) different I would be down for sex, but they aren't. I'm married, they are in committed relationships, and we don't bring it up beyond maybe some silly flirting.

I am happy they are my friends. A couple of them turned me down when circumstances WERE different, but I still value the relationship, as friends. I value their company, and that's enough. I am better off knowing them and I hope they feel the same.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Saying "don't ever express your sexual or romantic interest in women, just be their friend and eventually they'll come around" is the cringy, needy, "nice guy" playbook. It (1) never works, (2) is disingenuous, and (3) never gets you any closer to having any sexual or romantic partners in the long run.

I'm not saying "don't be friends with women". I'm saying - if you are into a girl, make a fucking move. Clearly and openly express your interest and take rejection on the chin. And don't assume that getting romantically rejected means you can't be friends afterwards and use that as an excuse to procrastinate.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Got a bit tangled there bud and you're horseshoeing

If you never approach women unless you have business with them then you're treating them as things to have business with or romantic entanglements.

Try just treating us as people. You can have friends, you know.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

As a guy, I can firmly say that I've never made a friend at the bank, grocery store, or coffee shop. If anyone started talking to me at one of these places, I would be very confused, and wonder why they are talking to me and what they are trying to get from me. And similarly, I have never struck up a conversation with anyone in these places - that would be super weird.

Of course, I see hot women in these places frequently, and I'd like to talk to them. Well, not really talk to them so much as fuck them. I'd like to say "hey, you have a really nice ass. Wanna bang one out in the bathroom right now?" Which is not unusual - this is just standard male sexuality. Hence why if you look on Grindr, a guy's profile will be a picture of his asshole, and a common opener is "Hey, you in the McDonalds too? Wanna fuck in the bathroom right now?"

Unfortunately as a guy talking to a nice lady in the grocery store, that would be sexual harassment, and then I would be banned from that Safeway or whatever. So if I want to approach the girl with a nice ass, I need to have some kind of excuse - like, I dunno, what apples she's looking at or whatever. But now it feels like I'm lying, because I don't give a shit about apples - I just care about her nice ass.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You really, really, really need to see women as people-who-might-be-friends, and not exclusively as fuck objects.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I certainly do. I have a lot of female friends. They like me a lot. And I have several ongoing female fwbs. They also like me a lot. And I like and care about my female friends and partners a lot.

None of this changes the fact that literally the only thing I know and like about random grocery store girl is her nice ass, and this is the one and only real reason I would want to approach her. I've tried your suggestion before, and I have to say, it's pretty fucked up. Because what you're actually saying is "Your sexuality is wrong and bad, and you should be ashamed of it. You are a bad person for wanting to have sex." So much for sex positivity and not kink shaming, lol. Turns out the most common kink of all - wanting to have sex with hot women - is shameful. Weird how that works.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The desire isn't shameful dude. The fact you need to make it her problem is.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Where did I say I'm making it her problem?

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Your entire commentary.

You see a woman you find sexually desirable about in public, doing normal, human things.

You approach her solely because you want to fuck her. You literally say this. You're literally only interacting with her because you want to get your dick wet. Newsflash: People don't want to fuck randos who come up to them at the grocery store. But because you wanted to throw in she now has to get out of the interaction - which I'm guessing is gonna be more than a bit fuckin' fraught because you don't seem to be grasping the fact that "I want to fuck it" is not a viable reason for annoying people in grocery stores - and manage your resultant rejection meltdown when all she wanted was some god damn potatoes.

You've made your desire her problem.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I haven't seen horseshoe used as a verb in... ever, but that still made sense.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My husband asked very politely for my number when I was a cashier. He said "Excuse me miss, may I have your number, id love to take you out sometime to get to know you."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There's no way this happened after the year 2000.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

It was 2011. Im a 36 year old millenial.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 weeks ago

Both of you are right and wrong, it's not so black and white.

You absolutely can make friends, chat with people at the bus stop, strike up convos at bars, the local ski resort, bike park, etc. Friendships can naturally blossom into relationships (or remain friendships, which is healthy and natural too).

You can't approach people and immediately ask them out, it feels weird and unappreciated (and that goes both ways, I've had a complete 180° role reversal and it was still weird and gross).

You're young, you have plenty of time, and honestly the weirdest thing about all this is that your parents are worried you're gay, like there's something wrong with that. There's barely any differences between genders, people overhyped the shit out of it in church, tbh.

Anyways, any% dating really doesn't work, and I feel like your parents should know that. Don't even try for dating, everyone can sense desperation. Just dgaf and focus on having fun and making friends. Love will naturally evolve out of good friendships.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

You are right, women are not into bots.

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