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The world is now reversing course to reject Trumpism (www.salon.com)

submitted 6 hours ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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The West was moving to the right — and then Donald Trump got elected again

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Something is happening among America's allies, and it's a tremendous relief. For some years now, we've seen the MAGA-infused global right gaining a foothold amongst western democracies, largely driven by the same demagogic, nationalist, pseudo-populism that has fueled Donald Trump's dominance on the American right.

Some countries like Hungary have served as a sort of experiment for the kind of post-democratic autocracies dreamt of by the modern right wing in which government co-opts, intimidates and de-legitimizes the political opposition to create an authoritarianism that dominates the culture and the politics without a lot of overt violence.

But the rise of the far right among the Western allies seems to be stalling out.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 25 minutes ago* (last edited 19 minutes ago)

I think US commentators make far too much of Trump and US political influence on the world. It exists but we all have our own cultures, political systems etc out here and we proudly do our own thing. The arrogance of people on all sides of US politics who think an election result on the other side of a world is a reflection of their own domestic politics is incredible.

It would be convenient if the rest of the world could fix a broken US democracy but it is a fantasy. US citizens need to address their problems through struggle and resistance. Their current problems runs very deep in their society and isn't simply an international fashion trend.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 53 minutes ago

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago

I sure hope this is right…

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I honestly don’t see a way out of this other than a war against the fascists. Something like the American civil war where the racists got their asses thoroughly beaten, or WWII, where the Nazis got absolutely crushed. I feel like it’s just one of those things that pops up once in a while. Basically, fascists are the herpes of society.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

This American situation is partly the long tail of the failure of reconstruction; Confederates got their asses handed to them but they were never properly removed from power. Now the racists are once again in charge, their monuments still stand, their flag is still flown, and the southern strategy is central to their political power.

Compare this to Germany, who stripped Nazis from power, outlawed their symbols, and have guard rails to prevent fascist movements from rising again. (They are now being used against AfD.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

That combined with the fact that the US in many ways is a confederation jury rigged into a federation doesn't help. Even if we killed every white person in the South after the civil war I suspect we would still be dealing with the same basil issues just with a different coat of paint. Most of the issues are caused by regional issues, proto-nationalism, and a failing Imperial identity.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago

While it's true that tribalism is essentially a human, if not evolutionary trait, we could have made it damn near harder for fascists from gaining power. To start, stripping them from any political office (local or federal) and then banning them or any soldier that fought for the Confederacy.

States that seceded basically should have been converted to non-voting territories unless they agreed whole cloth to codify abolition into the Constitution, reparations to the North and to their slaves.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 hours ago

Exactly this. The Confederates should never have been allowed to rejoin society.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

You have to wonder what infects the minds of people such that they fall for this in other countries.

I have a good idea what does it here.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 hours ago

One can hope, but each time I get optimistic, some crazy bullshit goes down.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Salon, huffpo, msnbc ffs. These are the hopium sites favored by the beaten left, because actual corporate journalism collapsed under it’s own ignorance and greed a long time ago.

The NYT will trot out a hopium piece every once in awhile like rainbow-flagging-the-logo for Pride month, but it’s all clickbait.

Who are you going to vote for in the midterms? The left needs to get its shit together. Propaganda, corruption, and blatant lies are kicking our ass.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Copium is my preferred term.

The more cynical cousin of hopium.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

The problem is that we don't have a left party; the closest are the Democrats and they're Republicans in all but name.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago

Headlines like this are for protecting the oligarchy. We all get involved until our lawmakers aren't old rich people. We pass laws that require oversight and transparency. We protect those institutions and laws that serve democracy with our lives.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 hours ago

But the rise of the far right among the Western allies seems to be stalling out.

Sorry, wut??

Can't imagine what in the screaming goat fuck would lead you to this conclusion other than pure blind idiocy...

🤷‍♂️ 🤡 🖕

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 hours ago

The Australian election is a perfect example of people voting against something. It's not that Labor were particularly palatable (I personally voted for the Greens), but the alternate of Temu Trump was more than most people could countenance

The nation collectively voted for the lesser evil

I'm hugely relieved, but the most interesting thing is the vote from the younger cohort who have aged a bit. It's not news to anyone who pays attention to politics, but they usual shift rightward with age isn't happening to the same degree

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago

But is it really?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

That might be the silver lining to all this

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

It's not Trumpism, it's fascism.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

😂

Those things are, in fact, equivalent.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago

Squares are to rectangles as Trumpism is to fascism.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 hours ago

I can't assuredly say we have beat conservative populism yet, but we are at least bringing competence to government.

The issue we haven't solved is that many young people now are coming of age upon a platter of socially engineered falsehood.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 hours ago

Can we sequester him? In the dirt, please?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

Looks like I'm gonna have to buy another newspaper tomorrow.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

As long as neoliberals are the only alternative, fascism will always come back.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

You mean modern liberals? Neoliberalism is about as far-right as fascism.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Please explain how neoliberalism is as far-right as fascism.

[–] [email protected] 179 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (5 children)

Celebrating prematurely. The UK is about to go fascist, Germany is teetering on the brink, and Canada only just dodged a bullet for now.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 hours ago

... Canada only just dodged a bullet for now

By 3 points; less than a basketball goal

And don't forget that Italy, Poland and Hungary are already there and we're about to invade the few countries that went left.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

What? No. All our (Canadian) fascists are gonna separate and join the US. Then we’ll be a fascist-free country!

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

The UK is a bit away from "about to go fascist"

Nigel (Nazi-youth-song-singing, frequent RT guest apologist for Putin & emphatic volunteer for 2nd in line of any future human trumpepede) Farage is as close to actual power as he's ever been—which is not at all.

His party's existence actually potentially helps more reasonable parties because he is splitting the right wing vote

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 hours ago

Labour are going to have to come up with something soon though or things could go bad; I get it's their first year and they're doing unpopular things early so they're not fresh for next election, but they're really unpopular right now.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 hours ago

We don’t have a general election for another 4 years in the UK.

Reform won some council seats and are already having issues.

[–] [email protected] 82 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

And no mention of Italy?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 hours ago

Italy has always been a joke, Hungary too

Greece was coming frighteningly close to nazism a few years back

It's so frustrating to see

[–] [email protected] 71 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

Yes, Italy, Hungary and others are already well down the fascist path. Romania just went fascist. Austria is struggling not to be wholly under the far right's control, depending on a coalition to hold them off. The far right has significant power in the governments of Slovakia, Netherlands, Finland, and Sweden. Portugal and Belgium are also dealing with surging far right movements.

It's absurd to conclude it's over because centrism squeaked through in Canada and Australia. It's like everyone relaxing in 2020 because the US public were sure to see sense under Biden.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 hours ago

And Portugal overthrew fascism in the 1970s, too...

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I heard that Poland is also cheering for some MAGA guy in the next election... Troubling times ahead.

For Romania, there might still be a chance in the run-off. However, the difference between the two candidates was quite large (20% difference; 1.8 million votes). Similarly, the other candidates seemed to have voters that would rather vote for the nazi. Most likely all hope is lost, but that 1% chance is still there.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I wouldn't give Trump the credit for this. Yeah he is a great example of how bad it can get but the move to the left has been long on its way and picking up speednfornsome time! Trump may have boosted a snowball that was already rolling

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Except it's really not a move to the left, it's just a slight slowing down of the move to the right. Fascism is currently gaining footholds in much of the western world.

So, while the handful of left victories are great, it's super dangerous to frame them as a reversal of fascism.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Better late than never I suppose. Congrats everyone else.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I'll take it. Really. It sucks for us. But if this is what it takes to get everyone else to kick this bullshit ass ideology and actually get on with progress over stagnation let's fucking go.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 minutes ago

Agree. Let's take the hit and move towards getting off this fucking planet.