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Team Fortress 2 updated with a whole bunch of fixes thanks to the community having the source code (www.gamingonlinux.com)

submitted 2 weeks ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I miss DoD. :(

Much better than TF2...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yes yes yes. Pop down the MG right before the enemy charges in and go to town.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Sniping from the avalanche attics ftw

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Fixed organ props spawning from non-Vita-Saw damage (GitHub fix from Thomas Kain)

Aww I liked that bug

[+] [email protected] -8 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

This leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Because the source code is not real open source, the contributors of those fixes have fewer rights to their own code than Valve. Valve should have just made the code proper open source. Keep the art assets proprietary, basically what id Software did when they were still cool. It's not like the Source 1 Engine contains great trade secrets after all those years since release and if it did, the non-commercial license would not keep snooping eyes away.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They gave you an inch, and

This leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

You wanted a mile?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

I always want symmetric licensing for community contributions. I have the same stance for Canonical and their Contribution License Agreement that also gives Canonical the exclusive rights to sell proprietary licenses.

This is a general stance I have, no matter who it is.

Valve does symmetric licensing for their SteamOS components, so there is precedent.

Also, I think you read way more into my comment than I actually meant, as if "sour taste" is the same as making demands.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

It's a step in the right direction

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What is it, like an SDK?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What is it, like an SDK?

Yes, Valve released TF2's game logic as part of the Source 1 SDK.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Oh, nice, yeah they did that for TFC as well

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I would argue it's still better than keeping it closed though. It really is a half way mark. It allows those that do care and have the know how to actually fix the game they wanna play.

I highly doubt it'll lead to Valve selling copies, let alone a financially relevant amount. So it can't exactly be classified as exploitation either. Basically I think it's fine.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

It does indirectly support the cosmetic market, from which Valve still makes money I think. It's kind of unfortunate that people work for free to support their income, but it's not worse than the game dying entirely, probably.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

TF2 is free and has been for a while now. I don't see valve turning that around this late in the lifespan of the game. As far as multiplayer online games go, TF2 is geriatric, amazing it still holds such a large playerbase.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

TF2 is free and has been for a while now. I don’t see valve turning that around this late in the lifespan of the game.

Isn't TF2 the last game in active development that's still using Source 1? Dota was the first to switch to Source 2, CS switched a couple of years ago, and Deadlock is using it as well. Valve may touch up the older single player games like they did with HL1. L4D2 gets the occasional crash fix but nothing that constitutes actual development.

TF2 is geriatric

Actual open source might revitalize it.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 weeks ago

If the fixes keep coming I might just get back into TF2. I first played it and got hooked through The Orange Box on the PS3 and then eventually on PC when i got a gaming laptop years later.