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Third time's the charm?
There will not be an impeachment unless the gop cowards do something but they won't.
Good for him. Unfortunately the Republicans are all vile, complicit lock-step party brownshirts, so nothing whatsoever will come of this.
Deleting this because I posted it in the wrong place.
I feel like we've been here before
Surely this time we will all get the satisfaction we pray for. Surely.
We'll be here again and again if he isn't removed.
He's not getting removed.
I don't get why people aren't understanding what's happening. They are setting a precedent that they never want used back against them and are setting it up so they don't have to worry about it, and there is no real opposition party anyway. This is it, the turning point where control by the people and representation has been effectively taken away.
I don't get why people like you jump to conclusions about shit all the time. It is POSSIBLE he can be removed in several ways.. impeachment isn't likely sure, but he isn't a healthy person, he's old, he has mental health decline, and people hate him and keep trying to kill him... anything can happen.
I'm not saying don't try, I just think it's naive to expect it to do anything and screams a population who hasn't grown up seeing their nation taken over by authoritarians and fascism, something that happened many times in other places that Americans don't think could possibly impact them here because "those people were brown and dumb."
That average people still expect their "representatives" to fix things is the naive part.
Nobody is coming. If we want democracy we have to make it happen, as individuals, as people on the ground.
Congressman Shri Thanedar (MI-13)
MI-13? That's almost MS-13! Bake him away toys!
What does this mean? Michigan district 13?
Yes
Can someone ELI5 what impeachment even achieves, and why it seemed to do nothing last time? Is it just a badge of dishonour?
Impeachment is a formal process used to formally accuse a public official, including the president, of misconduct while in office. It's a legislative action, not a court trial, and is the first step in the process of potentially removing the official from office and disqualifying them from holding future office. The House of Representatives initiates impeachment proceedings by drafting and voting on "articles of impeachment," which are essentially charges of misconduct. If enough people in the house vote to impeach, they kick it over to the senate to have a trial. It takes 2/3 or 66% of the senate to convict before he can be removed from office. The last 2 times the house was able to vote on the articles of impeachment. When it got kicked to the senate the last 2 times, there weren't enough votes to convict. This is because republican senators were more interested in protecting the republican party than they were the country. Most of us would rather lawfully remove Trump from office. The constitution is still important and many of us still believe in it. Even if it's not successful, it still has a purpose. The people that vote no on impeachment are going on public record to aid an abet his crimes, potentially opening themselves up to legal consequences once trump is gone. Also, exhausting all avenues of the law makes civil disobedience more legitimate should things get bad enough to come to that.
An impeachment conviction results in removal from office. The previous impeachment proceedings did not result in a conviction.
(Edit for additional information: While an impeachment uses terms like "trial" and "conviction" it is not a judicial proceeding. It is entirely a legislative proceeding which is formatted to resemble a judicial one, but is not bound to judicial procedure and it also can not produce a criminal conviction or sentence.)
Ah, thanks for explaining!
It really makes no sense. Even if you succeed an impeachment, you can just get re-elected next term - as long as you didn’t use your two terms.
Only if you are not removed, impeachment is only one part of the removal process.
Wrong. You cannot run again after two successful elections.
as long as you didn’t use your two terms.
And even this is looking increasingly irrelevant. Trump has another 3¾ years to ensure nothing is in his way for a 3rd, 4th, or even more terms. And with Republicans working to ensure a permanent Republican ascendancy, even voting will become a performative act; a thin veneer of legitimacy papering over useless theatrics and a predetermined outcome.
They will fail.
They will fail.
Like all the other things they have “failed at” with almost zero consequences? Like ignoring judicial orders and deporting American citizens and dismantling the government and shredding the constitution and all that other anti-democratic crap?
Sure, buddy. And I have some premium sand for you to bury your head into.
Impeachment on its own I can't bring myself to care about. It needs to come with "and removal" for it to matter.
And even then that means president Vance. It would still matter because Vance is a weaker villain lacking the full undying support of the MAGA death cult but shit would still suck, just suck in a way where there would be more hope.
Thing is there will never be another Trump. The cult dies with him.
Ah yes I remember when the Nazi movement ended with Hitler. What a sigh of relief.
There will be another, but as you imply it isn't hereditary. The next one will have to build their own following. Which may be easier with all the groundwork laid from this one.
get over the semantics
Peter Theil is the Sociopathic Oligarch that holds Vance's leash, and he is far worse than Skum. Skum is stupid, and ego/attention-driven, while Theil is intelligent and strategic. Theil is one of the primary leaders in the Sociopathic Oligarch Libertarian movement, following the writings of Curtis Yarvin (Google him). One of Yarvan's most important principles is to do away with all democracies, and force nations answer to the Sociopathic Oligarchs, instead of them answering to nations. Vance is on board with this, and quotes Yarvin often.
This is the first stage of the impeachment process, which leads to the removal you seek. This is an incredibly important step.
This process should proceed no matter who would take over the position. If an elected official wronged their constituents they must be held accountable regardless of anyone else’s current position.
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