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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 weeks ago

Burying someone alive. Or trapping their feet in cement shoes and throwing them into the ocean.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

This question implies death is the worst that could happen to you.

Personally, I don't see it that way. There's a lot more hurtful things than death.

Death is one occurrence, with no pain in the death itself, and "only" secondary pain in those left behind.

There's a lot more hurtful and lasting pain you can inflict, physically and psychologically, and without a definite endpoint.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 weeks ago

Fundamentally, the basis for thinking death is the "worst" is that so long as you're alive you can still experience good things, regardless of your past, and you retain the capacity to heal in different ways.

Death is the one thing you're not coming back from to find a new way to live.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 weeks ago

Not putting your shopping carts back.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago

This one gets more complicated the longer I think about it.

My first pass was to imagine humans just as we are aside from the ability to die. Many things about how humans are don't make sense without death though. Pain, for example likely evolved to cause organisms to avoid stimuli that could lead to their death. Fear largely derives from the anticipation of pain. Would true immortals have either? I imagine the psychology of such creatures would be vastly different from our own.

There's also the question of what form the immortality takes. If it's possible to destroy someone's physical body, but their soul can immediately manifest a new one, and pain doesn't exist, then doing so is just an inconvenience. If bodies are impervious to any damage or alteration, a large category of crimes vanishes.

It would probably come down to some sort of long-term imposition on the freedom of others, but it's really hard to guess what that would look like.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Kidnapping, I say, in a world where killing a death is simply not a concept, being kidnapped for any reason could lead to millennia of torment

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Stealing from musk.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No death? As in you can't die from old age or you can't die no matter what happens to you e.g you're throw into the sun, you don't die? Or your physical body can die but that just means your game is over in one universe and you can move into the next, and so on?

If being thrown into the sun can't kill you, then you're invulnerable and torture can't be a thing. You could be tossed into deep space and not hit anything for a million years, but you could learn how to cope after a few years and make your brain a retreat of imagination.

If it's just games all the way up into eternity, being the game creator and making pain exist is an unforgiveable crime.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If being thrown into the sun can't kill you, then you're invulnerable and torture can't be a thing.

I disagree. there several forms of torture that don't involve killing you

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How do you hurt somebody who is invulnerable and doesn't need to breathe? How do you torture somebody who can survive being crushed by the sun? Tickles?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't think any of those mean they don't feel pain. Or do we assume that instead of flash and bones they are made of steel or another metal?

op didn't mention invulnerability, though, just that they couldn't die. if we agree that the question is about a human, we know there are several ways to torture without causing physical harm (e. g. waterboarding, or doing something with those who you care for), but physical harm also does not mean death in many cases

if we don't agree that the personis a human, or even that they are not a living being, I don't know what to say but I think the point of the question was lost

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The question posits that there is no death. If there is no death, then being thrown into the sun doesn't kill a human. If you can come up with an explanation for that that doesn't involve invulnerability, be my guest.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Because they get their invulnerability from rapid regeneration.

Their flesh still burns, their bones still break, but they heal quickly, just to be burned and broken again.

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