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I wish I could go back to the late 80s briefly so I could listen to the morning radio show on CFNY , which was my first introduction to alternative music,while I did my hair like I used to when I was a kid before school, which was always quite a production. I'd like to hear "Song For Whoever" by the Beautiful South come out of my boom box just one more time. But that's all.
This is why I love vaporwave. It romanticizes the past and criticizes it at the same time.
Hypnospace Outlaw is such a great work of pseudo historical fiction. (Or Digital: A Love Story if you want more 80’s than 90’s)
I suggest “The Way We Never Were” by Coontz if anyone is inclined to read about the sort of manufactured history surrounding American society and particularly the family unit. In some ways the past was better, but we somehow managed to get rid of the good parts, make up parts that never happened, sidestep the bad, and make the present worse.
The only good parts about the past is that families could be supported on a single income. Pretty much everything else was worse.
I’d suggest reading about it before making such a statement. Understand that the single income created its own problems. It kept women isolated thanks to the way postwar housing developed, kept them out of the workforce, dismantled their social network, resulted in suburbs that drove longer commutes, etc. women have had it hard in society for quite a while, but the separated family unit made it harder. These things also dismantled the “village” support network that people had, along with extended family and community that could help people.
Yeah, the wealth that allowed the luxuries of a single family home in the ‘burbs was great, but it came at a price.
Reading through this thread I've realised that we just need to all keep emigrating to the places where it's best every few years.
We need a new thread for current and pay best places to live for now and any time travellers.
They mean the US in the 80s and 90s when we were burning through all of the goodwill and progress made in the prior half century.
Good will? I mean I imagine there was some good will in the aftermath of WW2 but I'm not sure the Truman Doctrine caused a lot of good will.
The 80s and 90s are still way worse than today.
Just out of curiousity, did you ever live in the 80s or 90s?
I was a child throughout the 90s in the US, and I don't think its just rose colored glasses. We didn't have the internet as a whole, but government still mostly worked, we had a good chunk of the middle class left, the enshittification of everything being cheaply made in china hadn't happened either, food wasn't all hyper processed HFC's outside of candy and stuff that is clearly junk food.
I think there's some objectively good stuff in that time period, and its not so long ago that you don't have good medical science and can travel by car and have running water (in the developed world at least).
The internet didn't create new problems. It made it so the problems were visible. I know a bunch of nerds boomers and genXers who talk about how it use to be a mono culture, but really, you could only know the people in your own little corner.
Did the internet and personal recording devices make police brutality worse or just more visible? I remember when teachers weren't use to half their students having flip phones that could record audio and oh boy, the causal and not so causal racism directed at the students was insane.
Yeah I do remember, i remember how I needed three cans of coke for dinner because our parents cooked every piece of meat to the point of shoe leather. I remember being dirt poor during the economic slump in the early 90s and how that made all the dads super stressed at a time when you could still slap your kid around a little.
Also Ronald Reagan winning all but one state, locking America into neoliberal economics for 40 years.
Worse TV (on average), too many commercials.
Lot more open racism, sexism, fatphobia.
Being bored on the toilet.
Shit sucked.
One word: dentistry. Medical science in general yeah, but especially dentistry.
Sponge on a stick.
As much as I love Rome, I also love not being infested with intestinal parasites and slavery being abolished.
and slavery being abolished.
Well, officially.
Well, not even
I only said this is jest, but I totally agree. I'll keep antibiotics, thank you very much
Ultimately, people suck ass.
I just wanna go back, back to 1999
Agent Smith was right. It was the peak of our civilization.
I'd prefer a few years earlier, the 90's was rad dude.
The HIV epidemic was something to behold!
I agree. I don't need a historian for this. I remember it, and yeah it definitely wasn't perfect. But I am not convinced I'm sugar coating it through retrospection. Mid to late 90s was peak civilization as far as I can tell.
Mid to late 90s was peak civilization as far as I can tell.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars:_1990%E2%80%932002 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_of_interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States
Who gets to decide that tho?
I do if I'm phrasing it like that.
Idk it's always "we" to go back in time. Nah just me. My preferred moment in history is not gonna be the same as someone elses."we" shouldn't go back to any period, because that's not a one size fits all.
Often, when people learn that I love history, they ask me which time I'd prefer to live in.
I always like the face of surprise they make when they hear my answer.
"Today."
I wish I lived tomorrow.
You will live tomorrow tomorrow.
In terms of civilization, then yes, but humanity live much longer than agriculture.
The best that civilization had to offer is definitely better than hunter gatherer lifestyle.
But also:
The worse that civilization had to offer is definitely worse than hunter gatherer lifestyle.
So it all depends what part of civilization you’re talking about, even though on average it’s better.
Hunter gatherer societies didn't threaten the very existence of our species.
We're the only surviving hunter-gatherer species! The whole genus was doomed from the start.
See, I just want what I consider to be the good parts brought forward, not going backwards
Since, obviously, I know best for everyone, everywhere, you can rest assured that I will only reinstate the cool shit that you will also love. No, you'll love it. Whether you want to or not