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I posted the following: "I am trying to make a shower gel that has a scent but is not toxic to either humans or aquatic life. And I have a hard time finding anything for the latter. Essential oils and derivatives? Nope. Synthetic ones? Nothing. I could go the unscented route, but it’s going to be hard to sell. So, considering that most of you are better informed about this topic, is there a specific ingredient that I can use for a rose fragrance that’s truly non toxic? Thanks "

On fragrange, zerowaste and sustainability. The post got deleted by mods in a manner of minutes. What the hell is going on there? I am going to stay here for much longer since that place is turning very weird. Also, can anyone here actually help me find a fragrance ingredient that won't kill aquatic life when poured down the drain? Thank you in advance

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

To me it was the toxicity. I posted a meme about "look how they massacred my boy" and the old and new DonkeyKong designs and got downvoted and mean comments. The site went to shit after the API-price increase and the only reason I’m still on there is that my hobbies aren’t on lemmy yet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

If have I had to guess... a combination of well meaning rules built up over time that no one actually thought out, chronically online weirdos corrupted by the little bit of power afforded by moderating (which seems common in online communities) and cabals of state actors who moderate multiple subreddits in order to control and direct the narrative.

On the other hand, with how popular reddit has become and with how many bots are out there, it might be worse without the rules.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

I think some mods are overly jumpy with chemistry type questions because uninformed morons will confidently answer the wrong thing and the mods are afraid it will get someone hurt. That or the subs in question just aren't geared for this kind of Q&A. You'd probably get better responses from a chemistry subreddit.

Scent compounds being potentially hazardous to some minor degree in their super concentrated form isn't a huge issue, because that's not how they're going to be experienced and it's hard to find anything that isn't harmful in some quantity. The alchemist Paracelsus, who pioneered evidence backed approaches to pharmaceutical medicine wrote the old adage "The dose makes the poison." Even water can kill you if you drink too much of it all at once, and pure oxygen is an extremely dangerous substance even though we need it to breathe.

That said, I happen to know a bit about chemistry and just did a bit of reading. It looks like rose oil comes in two forms - one produced by steam distillation, and one produced by solvent extraction. The one produced via solvent extraction is more common, more concentrated, and according to Safety Data Sheets (SDS) I was able to find, has more potential health hazards associated with it. The other form, known as Rose Otto, is produced via steam distillation and is less concentrated. This means you will need more and will need to adjust your formulation, but according to the SDS this is a pretty safe substance. If your concern is potential hazards of making your soap during manufacturing, then that may be a better option I guess. I still think that it's fine to use substances that are toxic in quantities that will never make it into the final product.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Reddit doesn't need you. Use to be a place for small communities to collaborate. Now its focusing all it's efforts on being a proprietor and distributor of information. Any function those small communities serve is not important anymore because their user base is so large and entrenched the only thing that can sink them is gross mismanagement. As we saw with Twitter, even then, the road to broke is long and spiraling.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

i got shadowbanned recently, just from a simple comment removal from a mod. but the reddit-wide filters immediately banned people, if thier posts gets removed.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

They may have a rule to delete any mention of essential oils automatically. Or they deleted due to the criticism of it. Hard to know which way any sub might swing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

Aleppo soap? It's made of olive oil and lye. As simple as it gets. Probably not good for aquatic life but better than most I would belive. It's got a distinctive scent, at first I didn't like it but it grows in you. Done wonders for my hair and skin.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

More commonplace than you think.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yup, just get the hell off Reddit. And Twitter. Both of those cess pools.

I deleted my Reddit account of, was it 11 years? More? Anyway, sometimes I miss being able to comment there whenever I come across someone kind, or some idiot. But then I think, boy, morally, I feel better not partaking. Lemmy is the future for now. I'll abstain from the cancer.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

X is where people I want to follow post unfortunately. If they posted on mastodon, I would use that more. As it stands, a lot of people and creators I want to keep up with are only on a few select platforms at the moment. Maybe that'll change in time but I doubt anytime soon. Same situation with YouTube, I'd like to stop using that too but it's the only place to find certain things (small example: individual magicians who sometimes perform on Penn & Teller also post their own videos on YT only.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

When people post on X I complete lose the urge to follow them. If you support X you're complicit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

That's wild, I would not be able to keep up with trends in the industry I work in as much if I isolated myself from everyone. But happy it works for you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Understandable.

You go where you need to go sometimes. I don't follow anyone on Reddit or Twitter that I can't abstain from or get similar content. I guess I'm lucky.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

https://x.com/OpenAI/

This is one small example, but I get notifications on developer livestreams for new models and new API updates and feature releases. The OpenAI sub itself is not only too many hours late in publishing any of them, but it's also only a fraction of the updates coming directly from the company itself. This extends to many other orgs and people I follow.

I'm a developer so I like to have quick access to new info to many frameworks and languages (and other lead devs that post updates.)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

I was making the most innocuous comments in Reddit and getting banned. I finally gave up and here I am. #RedditRefugee

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago

Just look at the subscriber count of those subreddits. Try to moderate that.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Great questions, but Lemmy is the exact same problem: anonymous accounts

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

i'm not anonymouse. i'm ricky. :3

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago

Who knows? This is Lemmy

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago

We left Reddit because of the drama. Dont bring it over here. Instead, just place your question on lemmy

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Reddit Mod:

Uh oh... You showed empathy to animal life.

Deleted for being Woke!

[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Loving the reddit hate train here but to answer your question, there doesn't appear to be any non aqua toxic rose fragrances. Even rose water can be aqua toxic. This is due to the fact that geraniol (the compound primarily responsible for a roses' scent) is acutely toxic to aquatic life. Have you considered other light, floral scents OP?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

Just fyi, most people came here to get rid of reddit. There are a few communities that revolve around reddit for those with nostalgia. Might be the best plae to ask as much as this community is about asking questions.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Just use some slightly dirty sea water. It will smell like you were just at the beach. You can call it "the beach".

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Reddit is being moderated by an AI now

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Subs be deleting shit left and right lately, it's becoming unusable

Lot of it is bots, but lot of it is also shit mods. And lazy mods letting the bot do shit without any review.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

I have no idea about the gel part, but you can make liquid soap with just vegetable oils and potassium hydroxide lye. There's lots of recipes online.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If it is any consolation -- It was most likely a robot.

Like 99% of large reddits are almost entirely moderated by a modbot, and the modbot is stupider than your average LLM assistant (and LLM assistants aren't very smart), while also being extremely strict.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Let us rejoice, for that error rate creates new fediverse members.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

I can't argue with that.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I am pretty sure your best bet to get something that is roses scented but is non-toxic would be creating a tincture vegetable glycerin with roses. Take dried rose pedals and let them sit in the sun for 4-6 weeks immersed in vegetable glycerin which should impart roses smells and other rose components into the vegetable glycerin. I haven't done it myself but it is suppose to do some extractions of the compounds.

You will be extracting the essential oils and all other compounds from the rose pedals into the glycerin but in lower concentrations than a pure essential oil. (Also depending on the essential oil will have a broader range of compounds depending on how they made it)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Make sure to use roses that are not treated with pesticides and fertilizers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Exactly. Don't use any roses that are treated. I like Mountain Rose Herbs

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