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Normally, investors rush into Treasurys at a whiff of economic chaos but now they are selling them as not even the lure of higher interest payments on the bonds is getting them to buy. The freak development has experts worried that big banks, funds and traders are losing faith in America as a good place to store their money.

“The fear is the U.S. is losing its standing as the safe haven,” said George Cipolloni, a fund manager at Penn Mutual Asset Management. “Our bond market is the biggest and most stable in the world, but when you add instability, bad things can happen.”

That could be bad news for consumers in need of a loan — and for President Donald Trump, who had hoped his tariff pause earlier this week would restore confidence in the markets.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 month ago

There’s a reason for that. Maybe if all those well-off bankers hadn’t thrown in with trump in hopes of deregulation their portfolios would still be slowly climbing up with the DJIA under a democrat instead of flopping around like a fish out of water under trump.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 month ago (12 children)

If ya'll want another layer of irony to all this:

George Soros initially rose to general public fame/infamy with large bets against British Pound in 1992, that effectively defeated the Bank of England's attempts to stabilize the currency, resulting in its devaluation, and something like a billion $ profit for Soros.

Fast forward to now, and Trump supporters have spent the last 5 or 10 years acting like Soros is secretly the most underhanded and influential 'world controller' bogey man that exists, and they blame everything they don't like on being funded by him... despite pretty much all of his charities and funds and causes he donates to being publically available knowledge... and despite Soros being a fairly small fish in the modern ocean of much, much more wealthy and infuential corporations and individuals.

... So, now, Trump very well may have done basically the same thing as what Soros did 3 decades ago: force the devaluation of the USD and cause economic mayhem, but... at a much, much larger scale than Soros did.

The Trump supporters have utterly and entirely lost their own plot, that they themselves mostly fabricated.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Art of the Deal, ladies and gentlemen! You just don’t understand!

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ya think? This is the end of American Hegemony.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (4 children)

All it took was electing one spoiled rich asshole with an inferiority complex.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

But he didn’t happen by accident, he’s the result of mind-numbing, stubborn, continuous anti-intellectualism people have reveled in in their idiotic decadence for years now.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

Can't believe the president who has repeatedly floated the idea of defaulting on government debt to save money would provoke this response.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

There's a story floating around that Canada's PM, Mark Carney, may have initiated this threat so that Trump would back off on his tariff escalation.

https://lemmy.world/post/28074536

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I saw this synopsis a little bit ago and I thought it was a pretty good short description

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Dude is an absolute genius to go this route and the perfect person to be Trump's foil.

If Canada doesn't elect him, they are bigger fools than us Americans. The dude just chilli-whipped us.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago

"The fear is the U.S. is loosing its standing as the safe heaven" ? Looking at it from the E.U., it's already gone with no going back. The U.S. looks more and more like a self destructing failed state, that only needed a little nudge from foreign troll factories.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's not really a "freak" event when the causes are blatantly clear and self-inflicted.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I am very annoyed that this use of 'freak' and further corruption of the term 'black swan event' have just gotten completely common place.

A black swan event is supoosed to be something completely impossible to have been predicted before hand because you didn't have enough knowledge to even understand there was a kind of risk you were not accounting for.

An 'unknown unknown', to use the only useful idea Donald Rumsfeld ever came up with.

... This bond sell off is utterly predictable, unless you are completely brainwashed into a delusional level of normalcy bias and complacency.

All you have to do is realize the US is acting like an unstable dictatorship... which it very obviously is... and this is an easily predictable outcome for anyone with a decent knowledge of macroecon theory/history.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

Just because we have chiselled abs and stunning features, it doesn't mean that we too can't not die in a freak gasoline fight accident.

[–] [email protected] 198 points 1 month ago (6 children)

This is arguably bigger news than the stock market.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Preventing this was originally what people thought was causing him to pause

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I sold some bonds 3 days ago. I just don't trust this administration won't default on something in the next 6 months. Or do something else to drop out AAA rating.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Waaaay biger news

Can't fund that big bad military when all those dollars go to pay off those bonds.

[–] [email protected] 97 points 1 month ago (3 children)

It definitely is. If bonds don't sell, or at least no longer sell cheap, then the US might get bigger problems with their budget.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 month ago (10 children)

If US Bonds are no longer the de facto safe haven asset...

The USD is no longer the world's de facto reserve currency.

That means that even if all the tariffs were rescinded, Trump croaked and somehow JD Vance took a 'be at least somewhat more competent and less stupid' pill, and never reinstated them...

Well it would mean the dollar would crash against other currencies, we wouldn't be able to import anywhere near as much, and US international debt payments as a percentage of the yearly budget would climb fast.

... And then that could spiral into both massive austerity at home, and/or 'lol we are defaulting on our international debt' either by formal declaration, or... basically hyperinflation.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

republicunts plans to finance rich people tax cuts with additional debt in shambles

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[–] [email protected] 95 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Oh come on, "Freak" sell off makes it sound like there's some mystery as to what caused this when it's blindingly obvious what the problem is here. The markets, and far more importantly all decent and rational people throughout the world, won't and shouldn't have any confidence in anything as long as Donald Trump is president. The only thing that starts to fix this mess is his resignation or impeachment (and that is only a start, investigations criminal charges and sentences amendments to laws etc. all need to happen too).

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

The only thing that starts to fix this mess is his resignation or impeachment (and that is only a start, investigations criminal charges and sentences amendments to laws etc. all need to happen too).

Or removal by other means.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago

Not happening, so I’d plan accordingly.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How's the market for booze, bullets, and bread going?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Don't know about booze, bullets and bread, but there does seem to be alot of folks taking up smoking again. Altria stock has shot up like a rocket over the last 12 months.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Huh. I don't know anything about Altria. Wonder if they're capitalizing on nicotine packets and vapes.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

They are, among every thing else tobacco related.

They are, to the tobacco industry, what TTI is to power tools. Among the companies they own are Philip Morris (Cigarettes, Cigars and pipe tobacco), US Smokeless (dip, snuff and whatnot), and NJOY (vaping).

[–] [email protected] 105 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I guess I picked a bad time to stop huffing glue.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Johnny what can you make of this?

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Can you fly this economy and land it?

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Have you ever been to an El Salvadorian prison, Joey?

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