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Stumbled across this quick post recently and thought it was a really good tale and worth sharing.


A couple of weeks ago, I saw a tweet asking: "If Linux is so good, why aren't more people using it?" And it's a fair question! It intuitively rings true until you give it a moment's consideration. Linux is even free, so what's stopping mass adoption, if it's actually better? My response:

  • If exercising is so healthy, why don't more people do it?
  • If reading is so educational, why don't more people do it?
  • If junk food is so bad for you, why do so many people eat it?

The world is full of free invitations to self-improvement that are ignored by most people most of the time. Putting it crudely, it's easier to be fat and ignorant in a world of cheap, empty calories than it is to be fit and informed. It's hard to resist the temptation of minimal effort.

And Linux isn't minimal effort. It's an operating system that demands more of you than does the commercial offerings from Microsoft and Apple. Thus, it serves as a dojo for understanding computers better. With a sensei who keeps demanding you figure problems out on your own in order to learn and level up.

Now I totally understand why most computer users aren't interested in an intellectual workout when all they want to do is browse the web or use an app. They're not looking to become a black belt in computing fundamentals.

But programmers are different. Or ought to be different. They're like firefighters. Fitness isn't the purpose of firefighting, but a prerequisite. You're a better firefighter when you have the stamina and strength to carry people out of a burning building on your shoulders than if you do not. So most firefighters work to be fit in order to serve that mission.

That's why I'd love to see more developers take another look at Linux. Such that they may develop better proficiency in the basic katas of the internet. Such that they aren't scared to connect a computer to the internet without the cover of a cloud.

Besides, if you're able to figure out how to setup a modern build pipeline for JavaScript or even correctly configure IAM for AWS, you already have all the stamina you need for the Linux journey. Think about giving it another try. Not because it is easy, but because it is worth it.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Because windows and Mac just works, without touching terminal for a single second! There is your .

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

I’ve used Linux Mint for about ten years. I’ve used terminal once - only because that specific laptop had some trackpad or WiFi (can’t remember which) issue. I just typed in a few lines and that was it.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But most people do use Linux; Android is the most common OS, isn’t it?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Also guess what the Internet has always run on? *Nix.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (12 children)

The UIs and UXes in Linux are still shit and look like they are from 1998. Engineers are not great designers. I design UI and UX for windows and Android for a living. I'm not professionally educated in design, but I know how to make a GUI look like it wasn't a collab by Mattel and M.C Esher for use on a museum computer. That goes for apps and system features. The Bluetooth device GUI in Linux Mint is fuckawful:

Being able to consistently install things by downloading an exe from a website and just double click it is lacking.

The names of Linux software are also regularly dumb. Trying to be punny, clever, or cool. If it resized images, just call it Image Resized For Mint or something, not "Nautilus" or Nemo", they are forgettable and tell me nothing about the app "Uhh, it was something ocean themed, I think". (This is true of Windows apps as well, Audacity, Figma Director, and Irfanview, I'm looking at you)

Apps "forgetting" the last-used settings, inc last used save file path, or user config, is a common issue too. Out of the box, apps should remember last-used settings without having to be told.

Window focus interfering with key capture is an issue too. Use Flameshot (a screen capture app) to take a region screenshot of a right-click context menu in another app - you can't. Greenshots on windows does it fine.

I still persist with Mint, but the process is further from 'Seamless' than even windows 11, the shitshow it is.

Maybe I just hate all operating systems.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Being able to consistently install things by downloading an exe from a website and just double click it is lacking.

This is something I still have issues with. I've been running Mint on an old Mac mini for six or seven months now, and still have to think to remember what flavour of Linux it's based on when trying to install software.

Then there's the way it has software installed via the store, Flatpak, and the terminal, meaning I have multiple places that need software updates. And that doesn't necessarily cover OS updates.

Don't get me wrong, I like Mint, and I do enjoy the tinkering, but I kinda go by the "Could I put this on my mum's laptop without her having trouble?" rule, and the answer is no. It's close, but no.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Don't forget the common use issues, where to put file for startup in different distros, attaching external drive being able to access in all and every Software without touching terminal, not too have to use terminal at all for ANYTHING IN 2025

IMPOSSIBLE! But shhhhhhh , we are on Lemmy if you say Linux sucks you will be negatively marked , cause Linux is the best /s , gained 4% market share and what not Linux for consumers SUCKS! NO matter the distro

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It took me a while to work out that the reason so much of Linux goes through the terminal is because that's what the people who build Linux are used to. They put little to no effort into UX, then grumble that more normies aren't adopting Linux.

I got my first Macbook in 2007, and honestly don't think I touched Terminal for maybe four years. It just wasn't at all necessary for day to day use. So having to wrap my head around terminal commands in order to do so much in Mint is quite a head fuck.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Let them eat ads

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Man, I wish the Windows-only shop I support as a sysadmin "just worked." I spend the majority of my time troubleshooting random Windows issues.

Driver issues, firmware issues, Teams breaking, Outlook breaking, SharePoint and OneDrive sync issues, Edge freezing/crashing, UI scaling issues, routine updates failing, random connectivity issues, random audio issues, printer issues...

I won't lie, my Linux computers have random issues too, but way less often than the Windows machines I have to support every day. And when I encounter the Linux issues, I actually can fix them in a way that is permanent almost always.

Windows on the other hand, I typically fix and then the same problem starts happening again a few months later after an update, or the only "fix" that works is restarting the computer several times in a row.

To be fair to the Windows defenders, Windows 11 has easily been the worst for this in my experience. Windows 10 was more stable, and Windows 7 was even better. XP had lots of random issues, but back then you could still get under the hood pretty easily and make Windows do what you wanted.

Every personal device I have runs Linux and has for several years. I removed Windows completely from my life thank God, and I can't imagine going back. I honestly would be more likely to stop using computers altogether before I went back to the horror show that is Windows/Microsoft.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

See...

The RTFM condescending, contemptuous attitude doesn't help.

A lot of us are not teens, or 20 somethings, and have other responsibilities and duties.

We just want the shit to "Just Work." We don't want to research why the last version upgrade broke the graphics driver, or why our printer doesn't work anymore, or any of that stuff.

Granted, the distros that try to fix this have advanced light years over the last actual 20 years, but it's still not good enough.

And yes, I have my "Compiled From Scratch Arch" membership card. Never again.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

That's why I'd love to see more developers take another look at Linux. Such that they may develop better proficiency in the basic katas of the internet. Such that they aren't scared to connect a computer to the internet without the cover of a cloud.

I worked at a company building Unix. Later, it built a few releases of a Linux distro too. The people there were proficient documenters and app dev; build, release and support (escalation) devs; and some kernel devs so blindingly smart it made us normies' tired just trying to keep up mentally.

Everyone used windows.

"Whot?!?" Yes, windows. Building Unix - the Unix - and a Linux distro, these super-capable black belts of the OS (borrowing your term) should be in Korn all day long.

Windows. WinAMP. VanDyke. Mozilla.

These people have the skill for it, but their preference was for windows. Because it was bad, but consistently so and presented a unified force to cope around.

I've worked on Linux my entire career, having used Linux since 94. But aside from a short window in 96, I've also done it with windows.

Windows. Spotify. Putty. SeaMonkey.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why don't people use Linux? Fair question. It's because people who don't use Linux are stupid and lazy.

Wow, galaxy brain stuff.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's really the egos and superiority complexes of the Linux elitists that are preventing mass adoption.

And a distro that actually lets you use a UI for everything.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Nah. Most people who use computers would never interact with those folks.

It's not installed by default and when things go wrong you need to fix it yourself.

People just want to use computers to do STUFF. They don't want to think about the computers themselves.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Development led me directly to installing Linux because Windows is bad for dev...

I fell into the warm embrace of KDE and GNOME environments in 2022 and have never looked back.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

I've been wanting to switch to Linux for years, but it was always too intimidating for me since I'm not a computer programmer. In the end, it took a roommate who was tech savvy to help install it and answer a few questions. Took about 10 minutes of his time but I still felt like a burden

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Worst take ever. Outside of Desktop, Windows gets dominated by Linux. Even on Azure, Linux is the number one OS over MS's Windows Server. Windows is free on IoT and still Linux dominates. So what makes Desktop different? 30 years of Microsoft's vendor lock-in strategy. All the OEMs have to invest into Windows because they have to take the volume licensing deal from Microsoft or be priced out. This ensures Windows engineering efforts for drivers, software, and testing. Because the machines were Windows, 3rd party hardware and software had to invest into Windows as well. When there is no vendor lock-in, Linux receives the money for engineering efforts and dominates Windows. Nobody complains about having Linux on their Smart TV. Right, because the money for engineering efforts are not forced to be put toward Windows. How many people are switching their Steam Deck to Windows 80%? 50%? 10%? 1%,? more like ~0.1% switch. The money is there to make a great experience and so there is almost no reason to switch. It's only the tech nerds that are installing OSes. Average people don't even know what Windows or Linux is. When Microsoft loses it's lock-in strategy, Linux will take over. Nobody is choosing Windows for Desktop. It's just what comes on the machine at the store.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I worry that for 3rd parties to put forth any effort, there needs to be incentives... which would be in the form of demand... which isn't there yet because they don't put any effort into it.

MS is playing a dangerous game (for them). If they turn the screws on users hard enough then Linux might gain enough market share for there to be real demand. I'm trying to get people to switch but the lack of third party support makes it a minefield sometimes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

The incentive for consumer Linux is controlling the app store.

Google leverages its control of the app store to make money on Android. Valve has invested in Linux in order to have an alternate OS in case Windows becomes hostile.

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago

Sysadmin here. I work with linux every day, live and breathe.

And both my actual workstation and my home machine are windows.

Because for tasks that aren't inherently problem-solvey, I don't want to have to problem-solve.

For tasks that need tools and technical skills and poking it with a stick, absolutely do them on linux. Logfiles, strace, tcpdump, your programming language of choice, all the tools in the box.

But for file/print/email/office/internet/media/video gaem, lolno fuck that. Save your creative ingenuity and mental bandwidth for the things that actually need it; you don't want to be reinventing the wheel every morning just to make breakfast.

For the mundane shit where you only care about the content, the UX on windows (or mac, for the people used to it) is just boringly unobtrusive, and thus the better choice.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Screen tearing and things not being simple

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Screen tearing is no longer an issue, at least on wayland. As for simple... it's different.

Painting your room is to windows like building a house is to linux.

Windows makes it simple to paint your room while linux enables you to build whatever house you want. Nothing is ever free and as such - sometimes certain tradeoffs have to be made that get in a way of what you might consider "simple".

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

Path of least resistance is at the electronics store and general support from marketed software. So lack of Linux hardware in stores and lack of well marketed software

20 years ago Apple at least had store presence and had their own software as major draws, Final Cut Pro, GarageBand people loved, and really as a brand MacBook's are/were fashionable

Linux is widespread in software development and data science. It's mainstream draw is still developing. Could be games. It could maybe someday be seen as the choice for content creators if the selection of media creation/editing continues to improve and have their Blender/Krita rise. Talking like Kdenlive, Ardour, GIMP, etc

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I can't use Linux because I can't get the medication I need to read through the documentation. I am literally unable to focus on pages of details on my own and it's crippling. If any issues come up, like trying to get an nVidia card to work, I can't get through the help documents.

Linux is unhelpful by being so open. As much as folks don't like rails on their operating system, it helps some of us get work done. I want to like Linux and have a laptop with Mint but it's wireless card needs drivers and finding relief is non-existent.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

You'll less likely to stumble around if you just pick something that works instead of experimenting around.

May I suggest Linux Mint?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

There are computers purpose-built for running Linux, where all the drivers work out of the box.

Might be worth considering for your next upgrade.

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