Wait until all the ballots are counted. Ballots still being counted aren't in those totals but, obviously, they finished counting 2020. Shit, California is still like 60% counted at this point. And they're at 10 million votes counted... that's like 6.5 million more votes just estimating CA.
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I disagree. Championing progressive policies in most instances actually appeals universally to a majority of the electorate.
I'm not suggesting they'd be able to follow through because I think a significant number of Democrat representatives can't stomach actually progressive policies... but I think they'd win more elections.
Yes, we all woke up to our future being a fucking fascist horror show. We're all grieving. Chill the fuck out with the "racist" shit, you just dividing the left more.
Yes, I'm sure some people are just misogynistic and racist and stayed home because of that. However, other people feel like it doesn't fucking matter. We understand that it does matter, but I'll be damned if I don't feel that way too sometimes. It's so goddamn frustrating when the Democrats tack right over and over again, hamstringing progressives along the way, and then turn around and say "Vote for us because we're the lesser evil. We've wedged you between a rock and a hard place so suck it up and do your patriotic duty like good little peasants."
Kamala's campaign veered right and abso-fucking-lutely alienated progressive voters. By the end I was legitimately worried she might actually end up being to the right of Biden economically.
Do I forgive lefties for sitting this one out? No. That doesn't mean they won't do it again and that, for the first time in what feels like decades, the Democrats need to actually learn the right lesson from losing an election.
I'm not seeing turnout down by 20m. Where are you seeing this data? Note, we haven't even finished counting all the votes.
Admittedly, I was expecting there to be overwhelmingly high turnout and there wasn't that from what I've seen.
The dude won the popular vote. I'm sure a lot of the shady bullshit that happened all around the country to suppress voting inflated his lead a little bit but I don't think it was substantial enough to explain this.
- It would have to go through congress, which wouldn’t approve it, so it would be a lie.
The policies are extremely popular and universal. Doesn't really matter in a politicalcampaign if you struggle to achieve those ends. Trying is important and failing gives you ammunition against those who oppose extremely popular policies for next campaign.
- They told people “I won’t do mass deportations or order the assassinations of my enemies” and it didn’t work. Why do you assume that this other stuff would?
The bottom line is that the average person isn't listening for anything besides "how is the candidate going to help me because I feel like I'm drowning". The right scapegoats something and promises to fix your problems by hurting the scapegoat (immigrants, minorities, socialists, whatever). This is a lie, but it's just as, if not more, direct of a solution so some voters will support them.
Harris had attention when she said things like stopping price gouging and providing in-home elder care. Those were extremely popular ideas that she didn't focus on. Instead, she pivoted right.
Lol, like what? Does liking a sport and hating and exposing the corruption of it's organizers equate to supporting it's organizers? https://youtu.be/DlJEt2KU33I?si=WJAc7yVePsn0GwaA
...and apparently understanding the frustration with the EU but calling leaving it insane and urging people to vote against brexit is "supporting" it? https://youtu.be/iAgKHSNqxa8?si=JsEMq6gV7-tp5y7k
Like are you even trying? Nobody is perfect, John Oliver included, and I'm sure there are reasons to dislike him but could you at least chose topics he hasn't released multiple YouTube full clips of episodes of his show where he literally contradicts your point?
They should be held accountable.
I would like everyone to be held accountable. How does letting Trump win help the country? Is he going to hold them accountable for anything you've listed?
This sweeping under the rug because of "blue no matter who" mentality shares more similarity with right wing extremities than with normal people.
Keeping openly fascist tyrants out of power isn't sweeping it under the rug.
You act like preventing neoliberal dems from winning an election will "teach them a lesson" or "hold them accountable". It won't. Every time a Republican wins an election it pushes democrats further to the right in an attempt to be the reasonable centrists. Look at the last several decades and tell me that isn't what happened. Corporate Democrats don't get more brave and try to capture the leftist's vote, they cower and try to claw more independents as the Republicans push more to the right.
The answer isn't to not vote or vote third party. The answer is to get involved and fucking make them more left. Be the third party and start local, protest, make your voice heard.
The shareholders are the real victims here. Despite being willing to pay their new CEO more than their competitors, the rate at which the company's profits are increasing is 0.8% less than their competitor's! Their stock price just took a massive nose dive of $0.08 overnight! Better give the CEO a better incentive package. I'm sure he can replace our QA team with Elon's new Optimus robots. That might increase our margins and keep us competitive!
All of these things are happening or heading towards happening now, under Democrat leadership.
Events I've pointed and sourced:
Golan Heights, Jerusalem recognized as the capital, bailing on the Iran Nuclear deal... they happened because Trump made them happen while he was president. They aren't happening or heading towards happening now. He literally did them between 2016 and 2020. You. are. lying.
Also, I'm done. Good luck trolling, spreading disinformation, or whatever gets you off.
There aren't my facts and your facts. Facts are facts. That's what makes them facts.
I don't know how I can make this any clearer. This election, 2024, is not normal. In 2020 or any year prior I'd agree with you that things are not black and white.
The man attempted a fucking coup after he lost in 2020. He has forced anyone loyal to him, or fearful of his political power, to deny that he legitimately lost the last election. An enormous effort has been undertaken to install people loyal to him through the election process in countless states and counties throughout the country to have already tested their ability to contest, refuse to certify, and/or slow walk the electoral process.
The upcoming election is black and white. If this man doesn't suffer an overwhelming loss, there is a very good chance the US will become a dictatorship.
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Votes aren't all counted so no, 15 million didn't sit out. I'm not saying it wasn't millions, but it's not 15 million.
You're fine being part of the problem then? Shit looks bad so you're not going to even try and be civil? You sound like those disaffected voters.
What if the folks that voted in 2020 and didn't vote in 2024 are the type of folks who just normally don't vote and weren't inspired this year? What if the same kind of "there's no way Trump can win" thinking had them taking the situation for granted? Again, not saying they should have fucking voted but maybe it's more complicated than a few million people didn't vote this year so apparently the entirety of the non-republicans are racists. Group punishment is in order?