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Full title: Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version "to access a decade-old, discontinued video game"

Ubisoft's lawyers have responded to a class action lawsuit over the shutdown of The Crew, arguing that it was always clear that you didn't own the game and calling for a dismissal of the case outright.

The class action was filed in November 2024, and Ubisoft's response came in February 2025, though it's only come to the public's attention now courtesy of Polygon. The full response from Ubisoft attorney Steven A. Marenberg picks apart the claims of plaintiffs Matthew Cassell and Alan Liu piece by piece, but the most common refrain is that The Crew's box made clear both that the game required an internet connection and that Ubisoft retained the right to revoke access "to one or more specific online features" with a 30-day notice at its own discretion.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

Ubisoft can't be mad at me for not burying any of their games because they don't make any games.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I've been avoiding Ubisoft games for quite some time. And blizzard. And a handful of other studios because of these bullshit shenanigans.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Gaslighting. That's a new strategy and a new low.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Oooooooooh, fuck you Ubisoft.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago

Hey Ubisoft, you can't complain when I pirate your stupid games, because there's nothing to own apparently.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Take them to small claims for theft. I'll bet they don't show up. Then they won't pay you, so you get a court order and sheriff to recoup your money in assets. Take anything you want and put it on eBay. Collect your money.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I have the fucking disc to prove I do own it, you arseholes.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sadly, the legal interpretation of copyright says you own the plastic, but not the data it contains. It sucks but it's not just Ubisoft.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Well... I can't say I'll feel for them when they inevitably complain about myself and many others cracking their games.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Literally just let people host private servers. It worked fine for decades, and still does.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The best part is they havent made a compelling game in 10 years. So i wont buy a game of them ever again either way. Its an easy life tbh.

[–] [email protected] 255 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ubisoft cannot complain when gamers "pirate" their games then.

If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't theft and all that.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

They could always release the source code.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

If buying isn't owning, surely that means pirating isn't stealing.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I've been increasingly frustrated with clickbaity coverage and headlines. Credit to Polygon for being just as obviously opinionated as Gamesradar but titling and writing their piece way more professionally.

I mean, yeah, Ubisoft's lawyers are arguing that the arguments of a lawsuit against them are wrong, that's hardly surprising. Given that they're being sued for taking down an online game they would certainly argue that they had no obligation to keep the game online indefinitely.

It's an interesting case and there are... creative arguments on both sides, but being mad that Ubisoft would argue that the text of their EULA applies seems so weird.

For the record, and because I'll be hounded for this, I've signed all relevant petitions to request regulation about digital ownership that creates an obligation to provide offline versions or access to server code. I'm all for making it illegal to build planned obsolescence into software. That doesn't mean I'm not bothered with bad journalism that I happen to agree with.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Be honest, you were ready to do some hounding, saw that tackled preemptively and decided to pivot. I can see the hounding intent from here. Those ears are so droopy you're becoming a better boy as we speak.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And this is exactly why Ubisoft is dying. Good riddance.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

"Nobody reads those EULAs, and the Defendant knows that. Therefore, the Defendant cannot hide behind the EULA as a shield because the Prosecution, having clicked Agree without being required to confirm that they read through the terms, could not have possibly known what they were agreeing to."

"If you are what you agree to, your Honor, then my clients are an unknown spaghetti of legal mumbo jumbo."

"No further remarks, your Honor."

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I would relish a lawsuit against EULAs where the defendant somehow sends the prosecutor a EULA in a software package that declares that they automatically lose the lawsuit by clicking Agree.

It would really hammer in the point that fucking NOBODY reads this shit.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (3 children)

There was a video game store that once, for April Fools Day, included in its sale terms:

By placing an order via this Web site on the first day of the fourth month of the year 2010 Anno Domini, you agree to grant Us a non transferable option to claim, for now and for ever more, your immortal soul. Should We wish to exercise this option, you agree to surrender your immortal soul, and any claim you may have on it, within 5 (five) working days of receiving written notification from gamesation.co.uk or one of its duly authorized minions.

Only 12% of people that purchased that day responded, essentially confirming only 12% of people actually read the terms.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago

I think someone calculated the time it would take to read every single one you're expected to agree with in normal every day life, and it worked out to needing 76 work days to read everything you "agree" to in a typical year.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Ubisoft doesn’t have to support the game forever.

They can either open up hosting to players or give refunds but they can’t have their cake and eat it too.

[–] [email protected] 121 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

i say ubisoft can eat shit

have not purchased anything from them in over a decade

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I got it on one of those giveaways that steam/epic/gog sometimes do, so I never even gave them money over it and I still want my money back.

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It may be legal, but it certainly ain’t ethical.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should do it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Really unclear if you're misquoting Jurassic Park, or if Jurassic Park just universally applies to EVERYTHING.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

i have the legal right to stand on the street corner and call everyone who walks by a stupid slut.

that does not mean i will at no point get punched

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

When Ubisoft introduced always online DRM with AC2, I was out. It's nice with the Internet how much being anti-Ubisoft has become common enough to be unsurprising

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[–] [email protected] 255 points 1 month ago (4 children)
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