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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This is how you know Musk is a fraud. This far into his career and he’s leading teams into rookie mistakes.

Or, he knows this will break it and that’s the goal. I’m just not sure how he avoids the blame.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If SS payments stop, there will be hundreds of thousands of people with nothing left to lose.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Over 70 million including many retirees, orphans, and disabled workers. The people most in need of help and the reason that trying to run a government like a capitalist business is one of the dumbest forms of government organization ever. A quick way to radicalize someone against you is to harm their family or take their money.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This idea is terrifying in the most insidious ways. Who has access to the code? Who is auditing the code? Are they putting in code that may disenfranchise "the right people". How long will it take to come to light? When found out, provided 'Adults' are running the country again, how much and how long would it take to fix it? And what backdoors are in the code?

This is bad news all around.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How many bugs? How will they secretly siphon money to their accounts? How much access will the Russians have? Who's gonna get discriminated against?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

GitHub Copilot about to be clocking some overtime on COBOL conversions.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

If you want the source of any future "technical glitches", it's this wilfully negligent act. Courts, take note.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

That’s the idea. Then they say anyone who complains about not receiving benefits is a fraud.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (3 children)

If it fails spectaculairly who will take the blame? Will there be any repercussions at all?

Or will Musk and Trump shrug their shoulders? Halfheartedly blame Biden for badly programming the original database then go play some golf/videogaminges?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I think the hope is that it fails, they don’t want social security to work.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Whoops, we pushed to prod and have no backups. Sorrryyyy!"

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

This is just another step down "I honestly just can't comprehend the stupidity of what is going on in the American government"-alley...

Like... what do they even expect to come of this? Why are they even interested in doing it? Is it just to stir up shit?

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

They are trying to break the government beyond all repair. At that point they'll say it's the Democrats that broke it.

Their cult members will swallow the lie hook line and sinker, and continue to keep them in power. (Side note, this will be made easier by gutting all election oversight as part of the package.)

Meanwhile, all that tax money we paid into Social Security, SNAP, Medicaid and Medicare, Unemployment insurance... basically any program meant to help people, will flow directly into billionaire's pockets.

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[–] [email protected] 251 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (27 children)

Ah yes, a classic tale...

"We're going to take this perfectly efficient and functional COBOL code base and rewrite it in Java! And we'll do it in a few months!"

So many more competent people and organizations than them have already tried this and spectacularly crashed and burned. There are literal case studies on these types of failed endeavors.

I bet they'll do it in Waterfall too.

It's interesting. If they use Grok, this could well be the deathknell for vibe programming (at least for now). It's just fucking tragic that their hubris will cause grief and pain to so many Americans - and cost the lives of more than a few.

Edit: Fixed some typos.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

It's worth noting that one of those organizations is IBM. Mostly relevant because they're the ones that originally built a lot of that cobol, the mainframes it runs on, and even the compilers that compiled it.
They're basically the people you would expect to be able to do it, and they pretty quickly determined that the cost of a rewrite and handling all the downstream bugs and quirks would exceed the ongoing maintenance cost of just training new cobol developers.

My dad was a cobol developer (rather, a pascal developer using a compiler that transpiled to cobol which was then linked with the cobol libraries and recompiled for the mainframe), and before he retired they decided to try to replace everything with c#. Evidently a year later their system still took a week to run the nightly reports and they had rehired his former coworkers at exorbitant contractor rates.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Functional, yes. But rarely are these sorts of things efficient. They’re covered in decades of cruft and workarounds.

Which just makes them that much harder to port to a different language. Especially by some 19 year old who goes by “Big Balls”

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (10 children)

My company actually wrote their flagship software in COBOL starting in the 80s, and we're only now six years into rewriting everything in a more modern language with probably four years to go.

I can't imagine trying to start such a project like rewriting all of Social Security and thinking it will take months. You have to be a special kind of fatuous to unironically think that.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

I was briefly employed at a firm that maintained the sales commission software for a large telecom firm.

It was 1.5 million lines of VB6, though VB8 was already three years old. Nobody knew all of it, so they couldn’t possibly rewrite it to handle all the edge cases and special incentives we kept having to add.

Except maybe the lone QA person, who would frequently begin sobbing at her desk. And we could all hear it because it was an open plan office and we weren’t allowed to wear headphones.

That job was so bad I quit and began freelancing.

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Jokes aside, nothing wrong with rewriting in Java. It is well-suited for this kind of thing.

Rewriting it in anything without fully understanding the original code (the fact they think 150yo are collecting benefits tells me they don't) is the biggest mistake here. I own codebases much smaller than the SSA code and there are still things I don't fully understand about it AND I've caused outages because of it.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 month ago (9 children)

No. Java is not suited for this. This code runs on mainframes not some x86 shitbox cluster of dell blades. They literally could not purchase the hardware needed to switch to java in the timeline given. I get what you're trying to say but in this case Java is a hard no.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Non programmer but skilled with computers type guy here: what makes Java well suited for this?

This is probably an incorrect prejudice of mine, but I always thought those old languages are simpler and thus faster. Didn’t people used to rip on Java for being inefficient and too abstracted?

Last language I had any experience with was C++ in high school programming class in the early 2000s, so I’m very ignorant of anything modern.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I am a programmer but I'm not sure why people think Java is suited for anything, especially a system so sensitive to bugs. It's so hard to write high quality readable code in Java. Everything is way more clunky, and verbose than it needs to be.

Some major improvements were made with versions 17+ but still, it feels like walking through mud.

It's a language from the 1990s for the 1990s.

Btw the performance is actually pretty good in Java, the old reputation for slowness is entirely undeserved today.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The way Java is practically written, most of the overhead (read: inefficient slowdown) happens on load time, rather than in the middle of execution. The amount of speedup in hardware since the early 2000s has also definitely made programmers less worried about smaller inefficiencies.

Languages like Python or JavaScript have a lot more overhead while they're running, and are less well-suited to running a server that needs to respond quickly, but certainly can do the job well enough, if a bit worse compared to something like Java/C++/Rust. I suspect this is basically what they meant by Java being well-suited.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Java can be pretty damn efficient for long running processes because it optimizes at runtime. It also can use new hardware features (like cpu instructions) without having to compile for specific platforms so in practice it gets a boost there. Honestly, the worst thing about Java is the weird corporate ecosystem that produces factoryfactory and other overengineered esoteric weirdness. It can also do FFI with anything that can bind via c ABI so if some part of the program needed some hand optimized code like something from BLAS it could be done that way.

All that to say it doesn't matter what language they use anyway, because rewriting from scratch with a short timeline is an insane thing to do that never works.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Why is there a need to rewrite it at all? Is it because COBOL is basically ancient hieroglyphics to modern programmers thus making it hard to maintain or update?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I wouldn't necessarily agree it needs to be rewritten. Hiring programmers that are willing to work in cobol would certainly be harder than other languages though, because you'll have a much smaller candidate pool and people would be unlikely to see learning cobol as a good career investment

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

COBOL is the career advise you hear people give for people who want to make money but don't want to deal with the VC clownshow. COBOL btw is only 13 years older than C and both language's current standard dates to 2023.

It's at its core a bog-standard procedural language, with some special builtins making it particularly suited to do mainframe stuff. Learning COBOL is no worse a career investment than learning ABAP, or any other language of the bureaucracy. Sure you'll be a career bureaucrat but that's up sufficiently many people's alley, no "move fast and break things", it's "move slowly and keep things running".

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Ow, my sides.

[–] [email protected] 123 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

How this will go:

DOGE: "Okay Grok. Convert this COBOL code into Python."

Dumb AI: "Certainly! Here you go."

System crashes and exposes all Americans' SSNs

DOGE: "Fuckin' DEI hires...!"

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