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True. Italian as well. Proportionally not nearly as big though, so they don't come to mind as readily.

If we're being super technical, it's not actually illegal to be in the US without proper authorization in most cases. Most entries don't involve bypassing border controls, which is a crime. So in normal circumstances if you overstay your visa you get a notice that you need to leave.

The claim is that because they're just being removed and not charged with a crime, putting them someplace like that is just holding them for deportation and not actually punishment. Since they're not being imprisoned they don't get due process.

This is hogwash, both morally and by the actual law, both the letter and intent. Even circumstances that actually do kinda work like that don't work like that.
As an example, a drivers license is legally not a right, but a privilege. Failure to comply with certain stipulations results in an immediate suspension. But oh wait, even then you still can have a hearing to dispute things in the most incredibly cut and dry legal circumstance. You're supposed to get a proper hearing before anything happens so that you can dispute a removal order and such.

Definitely not our first. The Japanese concentration camps spring to mind as a notable example.

People seem to forget those.

Sure, I could, but I don't want to waste my time. I don't get catharsis out of that.
Doesn't mean I don't talk to people, and even if I didn't talk to people on the phone... So what?

Why would they not pay tax? They're living here, working here, buying things here. Those are where we collect taxes.

When your rational for "your parents came here illegally, so now you have to live in a country you've never known and don't speak the language" is "someone might not be paying taxes"... You're being cruel to no purpose.

What constitutes "cruel and unusual punishment" is also defined by the laws of countries. That doesn't mean that we don't determine that some punishment is a human rights violation. Likewise, deciding to punish someone for the behavior of their parents is violation of human rights.

First, you actually can get citizenship from where you were born as well as by blood. It's pretty common. They have dual citizenship. Done.

Your example is not as persuasive as you think. If I'm a nation, of course I need to care for the babies that live within my borders. Are you a monster?
I'm gonna have to tax and get help from the the parents, but that's pretty normal for a nation to do.

Countries exist for the people that live there. If you live here the country is for you.

"Laws are how they are", so why shouldn't your government get to torture you? Just stating where you draw the line doesn't make the line valid.

It's commonly held to be a human right to not be stateless. Why is it a human right to have a country, but not a human right to have your home be that country?

Why are people in general not deserving of citizenship in the place they call home?

Coming into a year old thread to stir shit up is basically the definition of trolling. Doing so in favor of the argument that there's a plague of men pretending to be women to take over women's sports is a conservative talking point.
Arguing that there's scientific uncertainty about how often this is coming up or if the boxer is actually a secret man is... Well I hope you're trolling, otherwise you're a bad person.

So explain to me how telling you to fuck off is "ragebait"?

Maybe one day you’ll learn that insulting other people that don’t agree with you isn’t the way

Maybe one day you'll realize that no one cares about your opinion on "the way".

That's a fair point of discussion. I stand by what I said as a valid response to the claim that government bestows a right, but no, it's not as universally agreed upon in as I implied.

I'd argue that regardless of if a right is a fiat of nature or claimed by the people, that the right is still outside the government. People have the right to this and that, and the government can choose to infringe, respect or protect them, but they didn't create the right.

I cannot face palm hard enough. You actually lack reading comprehension that hard.

That section does not imply that I think morality and the law are identical. That's me believing that you do, and making an assertion that your beliefs would lead you to the indefensible position that the Holocaust wasn't a human rights violation.
Also before I realized that you were being pedantic in ignorance, as revealed by you defending the notion that the Holocaust wasn't a human rights violation.

I choose to interpret that you're ignorant of philosophy, and now also not fluent enough in English to actually properly engage in this type of conversation, rather than think you're a person who sees nothing wrong with the Holocaust.

In summary: "human rights" are a philosophical and ethical concept discussed under that and other names for thousands of years. That concept has clear implications for the law, and so the term is also used in a legal context. Most people refer to the philosophical context because morality is above the law.

Seeing as I no longer have confidence in the ability of this discussion to go anywhere due to communication impediments, I'm done. Have a good day.

Congress can vote to propose an amendment, and then send it to the states to be voted on and ratified.
The constitution is an agreement between states creating and restricting the federal government. Federal and federated come from the same root.

You seem to be persistently missing that there's a difference between morality and a declaration.
Human rights are a question if morality. Like any moral or philosophical question people debate things and eventually come to some form of understanding, which might beget a document outlining the understanding, and possibly laws detailing actions to be taken to protect certain rights.

The universal declaration of human rights is a set of human rights people were able to agree on. That doesn't make it any less subjective or arbitrary. It also doesn't make it exhaustive or definitive.
Why not look to the American Convention on Human Rights? It's similar but slightly different to the UDHR. Provides more protection for jus soli citizenship, but also more abortion restrictions. So is bodily autonomy a human right, or is the right to life beginning at conception a human right? Even taken exclusively as a strict legal term, the set of human rights isn't without debate.

The universal declaration of human rights isn't universally recognized. Most conceptions of human rights would find them to apply even if your government rejects a UN declaration or failed to sign a treaty.
As another example, the UDHR doesn't acknowledge sexual orientation or gender identity. People try to interpret parts of it as implying them, but it's blatantly an incomplete document. And that's okay, since it's not an exhaustive list. It was drafted when people didn't agree that lgbtq rights were human rights. They were and are human rights without a piece of paper bestowing them.

Human rights are like any other morality question: subjective, and held in tension between individual beliefs and the various beliefs of society at large.

If your answer to something is to say that it's illegal, it's not unreasonable to ask which law makes it illegal, and why you think that matters when that law doesn't apply to the nation in question.

Your reading comprehension is lacking if you think I'm failing to distinguish between legality and morality.

You're failing basic comprehension that human rights are a concept that exists outside of the law. The law referring to human rights does not make the law the arbiter of human rights.

Read a book, and think about where you went wrong that you're arguing that the Holocaust wasn't a human rights violation.

I get that you think you're being pedantic about what you think is a legal term being misused. You're not. You're being an asshole about an ethics term being used properly in a context you were ignorant of.