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"I'm not a fan of murdering women, people of color, and LGBT people, but I still believe that Trickle Down Economics work! Long Live Capitalism!"
Or maybe it's Arnold Schwarzenegger who still want to pretend the repepublican party still exists and play RINO. Like... Dude just leave already, its a nazi party. π€¦ββοΈ (Maybe he's doing a deep-cover Terminator Infiltration? π€)
I would think, "the accuracy of that statement depends on your voting record".
'I'm conservative and racist and I'm fully aware of that. However, I have enough sense not to say that in polite society... Unless you're cool with it? "
βI like to have my cake and eat it tooβ.
"I'm not gay, but $20 is $20."
"I'm going to say I'm late for something to get out of this conversation."
I will get high with you, and then turn you into the cops when you can't pay rent.
Well this is what I think since I often fall into that kind of thinking and kind of reflected on how I recently voted on a proposition.
It was increase to the sales tax to make the area "safer and vibrant" and touted as a major way in this prop was providing help for affordable housing. My brain went immediately jumped to the more progressive leaning side and went, I'd love to help those who can't afford housing and yeah, I don't mind paying a bit more tax even though I don't particularly like the whole more regressive taxation kind of thing but overall it would be a great thing. Then I looked at the break down and saw that only 17 percent of the funding would actually go toward affordable housing.
That's where the more fiscally conservative part went, huh, well that doesn't pass the sniff test if you're making this about affordable housing and making things "safer" for them and the community dafuq is it only 17 percent of the budget there? Well digging in, 45 percent of this would have gone to cops and first responders, heavy emphasis on cops with articles going on about how the cops were looking forward to buying a helicopter. That fiscally conservative part of me went, yeah, that's wasting my god damn tax money then.
At that point my NWA part of the brain went, you assholes want to hire more cops with no change in hiring standards where we already have a problem with way too many racists ass police, give them cars, helicopters, more tasers and guns, and body cameras that we don't have access to the footage and no consequences if these assholes turn them off during an their encounters with the public? ACAB you bunch of tone deaf jackasses and Fuck the Police.
Needless to say, I did not vote for that increase in taxes.
βI donβt hate women and minorities but I donβt see anything wrong with an economy built off of their exploitation.β
"I don't actively hunt members of marginalized communities with one of my many obnoxiously customized firearms but I still have a weird kink for giving tax cuts to billionaires in exchange for a worsened quality of life because I have a 12 year old's understanding of how the world works."
Greedy cunt
As someone who has used the term before.
Social liberal: I think you should be able to do whatever you want in your personal life, even if it harms yourself. I'm willing to negotiate with harming consenting adults while recognizing the possibility, even likelihood, of an imbalance of power making it difficult to properly give consent, or for it to be recognized by the public at large, e.g., maybe Amazon workers aren't really okay with peeing in bottles because they don't have enough time or facilities for bathroom breaks, just because they accepted the job. Doing things that harm those you have guardianship over is not acceptable because they are not in a position to give consent.
Fiscal conservative: I want money in the public trust to be spent effectively. This doesn't mean I want less taxes, I'm in fact okay with more. A city near me has 30% of its budget dedicated to police services, yet we have some of the highest violent crime in Canada. The simple fact is, a lot of crime is driven by poverty and lack of opportunity. So why are we paying to catch and jail poor people with no skills who are trying to survive and not paying for skills training, robust childhood education, and at least minimal supports so people don't have to be desperate enough to risk their lives and mine so they can survive? It doesn't make sense and there's no indication it's working. FYI, school meal programs tend to help the local economy to the tune of about $7 for every $1 you spend on them. That sounds terribly fiscally responsible to me...
Nothing about what you describe has even the slightest thing to do with conservatism though, so I don't know why you would describe that as being "fiscal conservative".
One of the definitions of conservative is cautious or restrained. How is not spending money in a risky way not conservative? How is making choices based on evidence from other experiences not conservative? How is not spending money and letting physical and social structures that are serving you well decay conservative?
Maybe not what it means currently in America. But in general it sounds fiscally conservative to me.
But if we didn't criminalize poor people, how well we justify spending billions on privately owned for profit prisons!?! You didn't think of the stock holders! /s
100%. I want to loudly point out that you saying 'jailing poor people not isn't fiscally responsible and doesn't benefit society, the money would be better spent giving people a better shot at success' is a great example of social liberal (make society better) and fiscal conservative (don't spend money on stupid things).
"I'm a dumbass who's too embarrassed to say I vote Republican."
"My definition of socially liberal is I don't think gay people belong in death camps, per se."
I used to think this, because I was against government waste. But I also supported welfare programs, so I was just using the wrong terms for my ideas.
"I don't understand what those words mean and I'm taking the coward's way out of this conversation."
I used to say this. And I believed it. Itβs a lie people tell themselves because theyβre voting for terrible things and donβt want to take credit for half of it.
βI kill the poor but Iβm sad about itβ gtfo
"Liar."
Libertarians don't actually care about social progress if it affects a business's bottom line negatively.
They voted for trump and agree with everything he says but don't want to own up to it
That you don't understand how capitalism works.
I don't like paying taxes to fund public services, but I don't care what consenting adults do in their own bedrooms
but it's also not a deal breaker if the guy I vote for wants to dehumanize them
Bellend
Assuming they're American: they're an idiot. Sorry. They don't understand how things are intertwined, and you can't have social justice for free. If you let laissez-faire policies be, you don't get socially liberal outcomes. You get capitalist dystopia.
Assuming that the person saying that is an American, I think that they don't understand economics and probably aren't as socially "liberal" as they might like to think they are ... or they haven't thought that hard about either topic. I think that based on the numerous people I've heard say that to me in the past.
It's fine to not really have thought about these things that much. Not understanding economics isn't a moral failing either. The people preaching about the economy usually have an agenda that isn't well-served by accurately describing economics and it can be hard to know where to find good information. I would rather hear "You know, I think those are important topics but I'm not sure where I stand on them yet" though.
My first thought is to wonder what they mean, as opposed to deciding it must be the worst thing I can think of.
Either "I hate poor people but I love weed" or "I'm lying because my actual views would scare people off".
Euro perspective - When I hear fiscally conservative, that means supporting a governmental policy that is frugal with spending and responsible with public assets and finances.
This has several parts, here are some of the most important:
a) Keeping a balanced budget - the government should not be spending more than it is collecting from taxes and income. (A little debt in dire times is fine, but that should be payed off when possible)
b) Responsible management and long term planning - the planning horizon should be counted in decades
c) Focusing on core tasks: national security, infrastructure, healthcare, education etc.
d) Not raising taxes unless strictly necessary, lowering them if it is permissible according to the above.
Socially liberal => supports personal liberties
Now why does government debt even matter? Well, because debt is owed somewhere, and if it becomes large may mean that the government is beholden to other parties for the debt.
Not raising taxes unless strictly necessary, lowering them if it is permissible according to the above.
The tax rate is never the issue. If the gov can push through a responsible plan for spending our consolidated resources so it costs less than we'd need to pay separately, then it's a win. Fuckwit conservatives talk a about reducing taxes and conveniently omit how they'll reduce costs to match. Hint: Here, it's always food inspectors and anti-corruption.
these words are all broad strokes. without specific examples, i'll just put it as lip service and move on
nod and say "okay" or "cool brah"
-- my head
