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US tourism industry faces drop-off as immigration agenda deters travellers (www.theguardian.com)
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Summary

The US tourism industry faces a major decline as harsh immigration policies deter visitors.

High-profile detentions of Western travelers have led to a forecasted 9% decrease in visits, reversing a previously expected 5% rise, and risking a $64 billion loss.

Germany and the UK updated travel advisories following detentions of citizens without clear visa violations.

Canadian tourism also dropped significantly amid tariff threats. Denmark and Finland warned transgender travelers about entry issues.

Experts cite anti-immigrant rhetoric and unpredictable enforcement as key deterrents.

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[–] fritobugger2017@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

I won't be bringing my non-USA citizen family to the USA for a holiday for at least the next 4 years. Even with a perfectly good visa, folks are getting detained. In the past I would spend more than $10k for roughly a month long visit on them (not including airfare to the USA). That money will now go to the EU or Japan.

[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why even go visit the US? There's nothing worthwhile to visit. And fatty american food I can get in almost any country

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Come visit Canada instead (: pretty much the same, but you won't be detained at the border.

[–] fritobugger2017@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

For much of the world getting a Canadian tourist visa is harder than a USA tourist visa.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 11 points 2 months ago

On Friday there was a meeting at work where everyone insisted that they will not go to the US office anymore.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The thing that sucks is that the USA is awesome, it had great nature, great cities and good food / people.

The orange dipshit can't take that away.

That said, only visit / give your money to blue states, that's what I'm doing.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

The one thing that really came home to me traveling in the US was how unbelievably different different parts of it are. If you were an alien or otherwise didn't know where the borders of countries were you would not believe that Florida and DC could possibly belong to the same country they're so completely different in culture.

I honestly think that's part of the problem the US has, they only have two parties and that's nowhere near enough diversity to cover all of the different kinds of cultures the US has. I have to imagine people in North Dakota have completely different priorities to people in California. Yet there's absolutely no political recognition of that.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago

Not just political but cultural, most of the great planes states were borne as nations during the height of the Cold war (the dust bowl kinda stalled/reset a lot of progress) which seems to have fucked them up weirdly. A lot of Americans can't seem to move past the fiction of a unified culture meaning they can't actually work within the reality of cultural and national differences. The United States isn't a nation it's 50+ nations in a trenchcoat descended from a shit tonne of different cultures and nations.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

You're absolutely right. The USA is so huge and diverse people don't even realize.

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

good food / people

The rich, you mean?

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 3 points 2 months ago

Depends what you get them from though. The ones in Florida are just leathery

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 39 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Just imagine a legal tourist in the US gets their wallet stolen.

Once, when people in the US had rights, he would contact the police, who would help him getting in contact with the embassy.

Where would the tourist end up nowadays? In Gitmo? Or a South American prison?

[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Initially some American prison then deported to some random country based on what he appeared to be to the racist in command in charge of making this decision

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 5 points 2 months ago

*Central American prison.

[–] Lanske@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Who in their right mind would want to visit to US at this moment? It's a clusterf*ck and even with a visa and a return ticket you could be detained.

[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Man, I was going to go to a wedding there that was super important to me but now I'm SO torn.

[–] Lanske@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

That's a shame! I can understand you're torn about it

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sometimes they detain people as they are trying to leave the US.

[–] Lanske@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

True!

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

50% of U.S. tourists come from Canada and Mexico.

[–] Mcloooosey@thelemmy.club 8 points 2 months ago

Not anymore, Canada has its elbows up.

[–] nlgranger@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

None of the researchers in my lab go to conferences in the US anymore (there is remote participation since covid).

[–] hugig@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Coming in May myself, anything I should know about how best to behave and handle interactions at the airport to get through safe and quick?

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Encrypt your laptop, turn off face unlock and don't let them unlock your devices.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Get travel insurance too!

[–] SethW@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Unless you go as far as having hidden partitions with a fake benign fascade this isnt good enough. How it goes is they plug your laptop into their forensics software, it reports encryption, they say unlock the encryption, you say no, they deny your entry and confiscate your hardware.

The only way I know of is to format a clean laptop and burner phone with nothing on it and put all your necessary work files in the cloud so you can get them back after getting to your hotel -- and even then I've heard people denied because it was clear the machine was formatted too recently and they suspected people trying to do this trick and they dont like tricks.

so your burner laptops and phone have to look "lived in" but still benign. It's much easier just to video chat whatever business youre trying to get done in the usa, and if you're a tourist there are lots of better places to go anyway.

[–] SuperZorro@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Do they do this to everyone, or are they using the skin color chart to "ramdomly" choose?

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

A little bit of both TBH.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Wait they can just take your laptop and keep it? I'm not even in their country yet. Crazy

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Wouldn't matter if you were a citizen. Civil Forfeiture is a thing here. If the authorities think your property was used, or was intended to be used in a crime, they can seize it. Your property doesn't have constitutional rights, so they can literally hold a trial against your stuff, with no legal representation and keep it permanently.

[–] VoodooMug@feddit.org 11 points 2 months ago

Make sure: you have the correct visa, know the address you are staying at, have an exit flight and can prove you have enough money to fund your trip, you can explain the purpose of your trip, prepare to surrender social media passwords and have nothing remotely critical of Trump or the US on it and you have no suspicious contacts. Prepare to have your privacy invaded.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 50 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's not the "immigration agenda", it's the "illegal captivity and deportations".

[–] Daggity@lemm.ee 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Nah, couldn't be the illegal imprisonment and torture random citizens and tourists have been experiencing.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

A 9% reduction seems low. I'm curious to know emigration numbers (I'm getting out of here myself)

[–] fritobugger2017@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

it's only been 2 months

[–] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago

Most of the trips that have happened in February and March were planned and often paid for before that time and couldn't easily be changed or cancelled so many went ahead. There will be a continuing drop off. Airlines are reassigning their planes because so few Canadians are booking trips to the USA, even as a stopover to anther country. Some border businesses have already lost 50% or more of their business.

[–] johncandy1812@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 months ago

What about their threats to a G7 ally? Does that contribute to the dropoff too?

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