its the antivaxxers but dont forget the millions of immigrants out of countries whose healthsystem is super bad. they dont even know what a vaccine is.
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What is happening in USA now is the future of EU. Armies of illiterate Tik-Tok and Instagram users, choosing to follow self-proclaimed gurus and fake news.
Measels are the smallest problem.
Lol no, it's already rooted here. Anti-vaxxers and other esoteric BS (like homeopathy) has always been very strong in the southern german-speaking areas like Baden-Württemberg, Bavaria, Austria and Switzerland. More mountains, more eso shit.
(Look at the other side, by far the worst is France, Switzerland isn’t so bad compared to France)
Antivax came out of the EU. Andrew Wakefield was from the UK (before BREXIT). It is only chance that this is getting bad in the US first.
It is only chance that this is getting bad in the US first.
Oh fuck off, no it isn't. You're an American in denial, or just ignorant of what Europe is like and just how bad it is in the States in comparison.
Andrews Wakefield may have been British, but he was fired so he went to Texas and subsequently became popular for his antivax shit.
Wakefield continues to promote anti-vaccine beliefs and conspiracy theories in the United States.[139] In February 2015, Wakefield denied that he bore any responsibility for the measles epidemic that started at Disneyland among unvaccinated children that year. He also reaffirmed his discredited belief that "MMR contributes to the current autism epidemic".[140] By that time, at least 166 measles cases had been reported. Paul Offit disagreed, saying that the outbreak was "directly related to Dr. Wakefield's theory".[141] Wakefield and other anti-vaccine activists were active in the American-Somali community in Minnesota, where a drop in vaccination rates was followed by the largest measles outbreak in the state in nearly 30 years in 2017.[142][143][144]
You might as well say "it's only chance the US has had so many terrible train- and plane-accidents in the recent years, it could've just as well been any European country". No, it couldn't have, because across the EU theres much stronger safety regulations for both the people working and the equipment they work with.
And I don't need to even get into the whole
Lead Exposure in Last Century Shrank IQ Scores of Half of Americans
Damned anti-vaccine activists.
Damned anti-vaccine activists.
I don't blame them. In a society that worships the Apple iPhone and iPad and things that only fit in the length of a single screen, meme-speak and 3-word reaction commenting, it's inevitable that entertainment mocking would eclipse science understanding. Carl Sagan said this in his 1995 book shortly before his death.... that "10-second sound-bites" (meme-speak, Twitter-length junk) would drown society in the future if not changed. His 1995 warning has proven true since 2012.
Damned anti-vaccine activists.
I mean, who exactly educated these activists and everyday Apple iPhone users about information warfare? The most sophisticated devised by humanity? People were eaten-alive by Moscow information predators.
Look at the timing of this story, one year before the Wuhan Pandemic was front page, but nobody can seem to escape meme-think to discuss serious evidence. The activists didn't stand a chance, they were scalped by Putin's meme army since 2013.
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Russian trolls blamed for spreading anti-vaccination propaganda
By Lia Eustachewich New York Post
Published February 17, 2019 2:01pm EST
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/russian-trolls-blamed-for-spreading-anti-vaccination-propaganda
This is what pisses me off. Most of these sicknesses could be easily avoided, yet the lack of education from many clueless people is a pain to me as someone who works in public health.
The ONE study that they ever site as vaccines being correlated to autism only had 12 patients. The whole thing was garbage science.
And the guy is used as an example of what NOT to do in research.
This is what pisses me off. Most of these sicknesses could be easily avoided, yet the lack of education from many clueless people
The most clueless ones are arrogant and entirely avoid researching factual evidence of a conspiracy (with evidence conspiracy, not a bullshit "trust me bro" conspiracy) that was published by well-known reputable universities: George Washington University, Johns Hopkins University authenticated the factual evidence.
I guess since smartphones and Twitter were the venue for the evidence, social media users just can't see past their meme addiction to simple-think and reaction-thinking and seriously discuss the fact-based conspiracy evidence. I've been trying to grasp why in 2020 onward this wasn't a constant topic of discussion! Wuhan China is world famous, why isn't this public notice about Russia discussed (constantly!)?
August 24, 2018 - Measles Russia
Yes, there's a lot of evidence that the problem is not only with Russia, and not only with measles vaccines, e.g.:
Russia, China sow disinformation to undermine trust in Western vaccines: EU -- (2021)
Russian and Chinese media are systematically seeking to sow mistrust in Western COVID-19 vaccines in their latest disinformation campaigns aimed at dividing the West, a European report said on Wednesday [...]
"Both Russia and China are using state-controlled media, networks of proxy media outlets and social media, including official diplomatic social media accounts, to achieve these goals," the report said, citing 100 Russian examples this year [2021 ...]
"Both Chinese official channels and pro-Kremlin media have amplified content on alleged side-effects of the Western vaccines, misrepresenting and sensationalising international media reports and associating deaths to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in Norway, Spain and elsewhere," the report said [...]
Reports like that one appear to have been increasing in recent years.
Addition for a really good study I read years ago and found again now: