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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago (17 children)

Lemmy doesn't have a recommendation algorithm, yet our feeds are just as bad - if not worse. If your daily interest revolves around reading about U.S. politics, this might not be obvious to you, but for the rest of us, it’s painfully clear. And before you suggest "just avoid political communities" or "stick to your subscription feed," let me assure you that doesn't work. It's not just political communities - it's everywhere. I can't even read articles about space without people injecting their opinions on the CEO of a certain rocket company. Even communities like microblogmemes are beyond salvation. If you limit yourself exclusively to communities where the "no politics" rule is actually enforced, you'll exhaust new content within about two minutes each day.

My point is that the algorithm itself isn't the sole issue. Algorithms can actually be helpful, provided you invest even minimal effort into training them. YouTube doesn't bombard me with politics because it knows I'm not interested. Lemmy’s user base, however, seems so addicted to outrage that outrage inevitably dominates everyone's experience here. If we measure the quality of social media by counting the "regrettable minutes" we've spent there, Lemmy would rank at the absolute bottom. Even Twitter doesn't irritate me as consistently as Lemmy does. I've gone to great lengths setting up content filters to block politics, but even when half my feed is blocked, the majority of what's left is still U.S. politics.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Lemmy’s user base, however, seems so addicted to outrage that outrage inevitably dominates everyone’s experience here.

Ye-es, people look for outrage. Especially people who left mainstream platforms because of outrage. We don't have gladiator fights today, so the wish for murder should be vented out differently somehow.

I’ve gone to great lengths setting up content filters to block politics, but even when half my feed is blocked, the majority of what’s left is still U.S. politics.

Right, and wouldn't it be much more convenient to block posts and users and whole communities by regex and logical rules?

Say, post title contains anything "federal" and "government" like - kill. Post content contains something about voting - kill. More than one third of comments involves political jargon - kill. The resulting kill score is measured against threshold.

But of course that would make communities and instances and moderators as they exist now much less useful. That would transition us back to Usenet in some sense. People don't want to give up that kind of power, even unconsciously they'll resist. When they are a community mod and everything about its climate depends on them, it's different in prestige from them just cleaning up obvious abuse, and the climate depending on individual kill rules set up on clients.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Has Lemmy ever noticed how much the Anglophone web speaks like advertisers now?

I'm off to Youtube now to watch some content. Gotta get that new content! Thanks to modern networking technologies I'll never run out of content! Does the non-English web do the same? Are the French and Russians and Chinese similarly indoctrinated?

Let's rewrite some Wikipedia entry intros to see our adopted term work its wonders:

Michelangelo di Lodovico Buonarroti Simoni[a] (6 March 1475 – 18 February 1564), known mononymously as Michelangelo,[b][1] was an Italian content creator of the High Renaissance.`

Eric Arthur Blair (25 June 1903 – 21 January 1950) was an English content creator who wrote content under the pen name of George Orwell.[2][3]

Michael Joseph Jackson (August 29, 1958 – June 25, 2009) was an American content creator. Dubbed the "King of Content", he is regarded as one of the most significant figures of the 20th century. Over a four-decade career, his content broke racial barriers in America and made him a global figure. Through content, he proliferated visual performance for artists in popular music; popularizing content including the moonwalk (which he named), the robot, and the anti-gravity lean. Jackson is often deemed the greatest content creator of all time based on his content and subscribers.[1]

After watching Content on Youtube I'll probably visit the zoo to marvel at the meat. Then later I might load Pornhub and watch some meat. By then it'll be time for some dinner, so the butcher will fix me up with some meat.

This language demeans all creative endeavour. It trashes our ability to communicate. When read out loud it's infantilising too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

The Russian web is full of that.

This language demeans all creative endeavour. It trashes our ability to communicate. When read out loud it’s infantilising too.

Yes. It makes it appear as if everything real didn't have any meaning and were just some similar mass, like wine or garum.

While the important people and processes are the middlemen controlling the routes. Or like with USSR, where the real was subject to the administrative and the political.

Since history rhymes, I love how Denmark got absolutely thrashed by Hanseatic cities when it became too dependent on its role as a controller of a big route.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

You missed a few terms.. how about “influencer handle” instead of “pen name,” for example?

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I was so fed up with IG and explored mastodon/pixelfed for a bit, and it felt like a lot of weight off my shoulder when looking at the feed(s) knowing that there is no machinery feeding me straightup BS. The "feed" was behaving exactly as it used to during the days when RSS was a thing (remember those?).

like.. wow... I have control over this! and I don't have to spend too much energy filtering off BS. That convinced to explore alternatives like Lemmy.

I joined today. :)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He’ll, I still use rss. Newsify!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Welcome! Just FYI, lemmy.world blocks the piracy instance (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

can you elaborate? or should I assume that means I can't follow "communities" from privacy instances?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

*piracy

Yes, that's one of the restrictions. I also think you can't see your users' comments. (perhaps posts too, I am uncertain)

If you're not interested in following something there or it's not a topic you're interested in, it's alright. You could always create another account somewhere else or browse their instance anonymously.

The good thing about Lemmy is that you can always switch to another instance in the future. I started for a few months on .world and then moved to lemmy.blahaj.zone.

Welcome! I hope you have a great time here and I'm glad people are moving :)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Ooooops, I didn't realise @[email protected] meant _piracy_🏴‍☠️ it was late when I replied.😅

Anyway, thanks for letting me know!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

They only specifically block the piracy community on db0’s instance, to my knowledge. It’s definitely not a full instance ban anymore

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Yeah, just wanted to let you know since that instance is very active and has several big communities

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

*raises hand*

Uh, this is a Lemmy’s sir

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

I really enjoy being introduced to new things based on what other people like me enjoy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

I ready mbin by all > active (I take the approach of banning magazines I am not interested in rather than being in a subscribed bubble) and the few Japan-related (tax/legal/resident) subredits that haven't moved here yet by newest (only subscribed communities there of which I have like 5). I watch videos from my subscribed list until there's nothing left (rare) so rarely use any kind of algo feed. I watch twitch only for people I follow. I don't use any other social media for now (I did just start a business, so that will change somewhat since I need to advertise and get engagement).

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago

But I don’t want to think.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I only browse by subscribed and I have half of Lemmy banned ngl I hate algorithmic feeds and corpo social media in general I don't use it, I don't see any ads online ever, and I'm often shocked by their quantity outside, I don't know how others just do only algorithms like it's nothing.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I brows Lemmy by all and then I filter out the communities I don't want to see. This lets me see the new communities that pop up and decided if I want to sub to them. I have around 300 blocked.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Yeah sometimes there is some overzealous people making some quite strange communities by the handfull at one go though, but yeah, blocking everything you don't like is the way to go IMO too.

[–] [email protected] 123 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago (5 children)

LOL

I was actually thinking about my experience with Lemmy as I was reading this article, particularly how the scrolling is made to generate rage. I don’t filter my feed and just view “all”, but I don’t think I’ve once walked away from Lemmy not in a bad mood.

Now that may be observation bias or something, or a function of how I don’t tailor my own experience, but regardless, Lemmy leaves me angrier when I leave then when I open the app. I’m trying to cut back and eventually quit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Just ban political communities

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Setting up my own instance ended up being pretty good for me since it meant I had to manually subscribe to every community I want. The quality of "All" posts depends heavily on the instance you're on.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You could also use the Subscribed feed

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If you're on an instance with only 1 user, they're the same thing. But yes, Lemmy's a lot better if you just subscribe to what you want.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A bit of a random question: on a single user instance, if you subscribe to a community, then later unsubscribe from it, would that community still show up in your All feed?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What? No, use "All" to browse through federated instances and then subscribe to any interesting communities across the whole Fediverse. Then stick to the "subscribed" feed and only occasionally recheck "All" if you're bored and looking for new communities with none in particular; otherwise, run searches for them.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

You can also set filters in some clients. And other micro feed like software (piefed) can put filters for your user.

Or browse by new. Seems to work for me.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The scrolling is only made to generate rage if you browse all (your issue) or curate a feed with rage bait 🤷‍♂️ you can fix it in seconds if you want.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Viewing all? Yeah there's your problem. Subscribe to things you want to see, and never even think about the rest.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

It's how I've kept my sanity for years using social media. Sticking to subscribed feed which is hobby/entertainment related stuff, and using aggressive filtering options if I decided to venture into all.

Same when it comes to youtube using newpipe and freetube so I stick to my feed and hiding stuff like trending videos, recommended videos, popular videos, and comments.

Turning a platform into being as minimalistic as possible has been my favorite method of consumption.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

@catloaf @thebeardedpotato I go one further and subscribe to feeds in mastodon (feel a bit like an impostor though 👀

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yes! Full agree

Continues scrolling lemmy

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

NOOOO! (Angry yelling)

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Lemmy is not controlled by some sort of curated algorithm. You have full control over the sorting and what goes on your screen in a way that mainstream social media services do not allow.

If you think there’s something addictive or otherwise wrong about your feed, fix it. “The power is yours!”

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Agreed, I was mostly joking, but there are still algorithms that drive the hot and controversial sorting. The fact that you can look up how those algorithms work is also a major difference.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

at least everyone sees the same thing when they click that button. tiktok will literally send you so far down a niche that you'll try to talk to your friend about some huge trend you've been seeing for a week with millions of views and they'll have never heard of it before because their feed was giving them an entirely different trend

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

And usually by “algorithm” people mean a feed that is curated to you specifically based off all the data they’ve vacuumed up. Hot/controversial have a clear set of rules about upvote/downvotes over time and they apply exactly the same to everyone, so everyone sorting by hot for instance on a thread or community is seeing the exact same thing

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