Not allowing you to study more as a result of failing a cert exam seems to be counterintuitive. I guess it would first depend on your current work relationship with your boss. If you have a good relationship and it’s easy to approach them about issues, I’d say ask them directly but respectfully. It would probably help to clarify your proposal (i.e. setting aside 30-60mins maybe at the tail end of your work day, and only on specific days of the week), so you’re just not coming in with a demand. Now obviously you have more pressure to pass the exams to justify it.
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After repeated failures to pass a test, I do not think it is unreasonable for the business to stop paying for your attempts at a certification. Either directly via training sessions and testing fees, or indirectly via your working hours.
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using my own time for work shit is unacceptable.
Drop the word "shit" and you got it.
I'd use the word "shit," but I've already established a certain level of communication with my manager and colleagues.
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Those promotion and raise promises are often not kept, so get them laid out in writing. If getting certified is part of your job then you should get paid for it in time and money.
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Fuck you, pay me
"Using my own time for work stuff is unacceptable to me, and I am prepared to quit this job and get a different one that doesn't ask me to work off the clock if you press this matter."
Don't try to reason them into accepting your way of thinking, just state your position and what you're willing to do to pursue it
Incidentally, if "I am prepared to quit this job" does not currently apply to you, you should not be having this conversation.
e; partial_acumen had a way better answer
“Using my own time for work stuff is unacceptable to me. It was not enumerated in the job listing when I was hired that off-clock unpaid work was required to keep this job and ~~I am prepared to quit this job and get a different one that doesn’t ask me to work off the clock if you press this matter~~ if the company terminates me for refusing to work unpaid off the clock I'd be happy to raise that with the Department of Labor for a case of wage theft.”
e2; this is all assuming you're ok with losing this job and waiting through a lawsuit and several years to get what you're owed by this employer
“Using my own time for work stuff is unacceptable to me. It was not enumerated in the job listing when I was hired that off-clock unpaid work was required to keep this job and ~~I am prepared to quit this job and get a different one that doesn’t ask me to work off the clock if you press this matter~~ if the company terminates me for refusing to work unpaid off the clock I'd be happy to raise that with the Department of Labor for a case of wage theft.”
FTFY
Now, understand in many jobs maintaining a level of knowledge is necessary, and skills age-out meaning they are no longer applicable to industry. If you don't have these new certs, you may not be able to get hired somewhere else because they require the current industry knowledge. You'll have to decide which battles you want to fight, and what you will do if the worst outcome affects you and you're out of work. Would you be forced to study and pass those certs anyway just to be eligible in your industry? If so, you can work toward compromise with your current employer as a shorter and less painful path.
To this end, you can challenge them on not letting you study on the clock during downtime. If these certs are as critical as they claim, then why are downtime hours not usable for cert study?
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Based on what you said, these are not required for you to do your job, only for you to improve your position. It is not unreasonable for you to use personal time for self-improvement. It's also not unreasonable for you to use company downtime for self-improvement.
Not just downtime. There should be room for training.
Employers aren't obligated to invest in you, but then you know how much you should invest in them.
1000% this. Spending even an entire work-day to go attend training is part of being in the work force. I'd be spending my personal time dusting off my resume.
You know you’re allowed to print off a new copy
But a printer requires money, which requires a job, which requires a resume, which requires a printer, which requires money, which requires a job, which requires a resume...
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