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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago

My gal spelt out “Chalchiuhtlicueyecati” but abbreviated “associated with.”

[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 months ago (6 children)

I really wish we could actually "rename" places as their original indigenous names across all America(~~s~~). For example my country had an internal turmoil just to keep the original name of its capital city because we love our native people, and yet we keep the incredibly stupid name of "Land of Colon" (imho most probably the most stupid name of any country, ever) because fuck our native people.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Like, just the most recent indigenous names, or from one of them before that? It seems arbitrary to fixate on just one civilization just to avoid fixating on exactly one other.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I mean, not that there have been tons of successive civilizations around here, so... And yet if that was the case, you'll need to take in account that oral lore may have had a hand in the names of places, so it's mostly improbable that a place has had completely different names with each civilization.

(Edit: people downvoting/replying to this thinking I was talking just about the USA is hilarious - reddit syndrome much?)

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Never heard of this goddess before but im glad i did. She's got some really awesome depictions!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Somebody teach me the basic pronounciation, so I can make a slightly less fool of myself when trying to say it, and I'm on board with that.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (2 children)

t͡ʃaːɬt͡ʃiwˈt͡ɬikʷeː

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Anyone else seeing the part about licking cats?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

google maps is showing Chaacosiano for me

[–] [email protected] 82 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Pfft. Lousy historians and their stupid . . research.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

@[email protected] - Do you know? I couldn't find many sources but I only speak English.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

EDIT: As indepndnt mentioned in a comment below, the OP was posted on February 14, which pre-dates the wikipedia edits. So, my conclusions below about the timeline are not valid.

Hah, sure, let's investigate 🕵️‍♂️

The term 'Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl' was added as a potential Aztec name to the English wikipedia page on February 15, 2025, by user 'Mxn'.

The description of the edit is the following:

Frum says the Aztecs had no specific name for the gulf, which is plausible in a practical sense, but Fernández gives a specific religious name and is more of a reliable source on this topic

If we investigate a bit further, we can see that the term Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl is described to be a name for the 'Gulf of Mexico' in the spanish Wikipedia: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl

This page was updated to include the description of Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl as the 'Gulf of Mexico' in September 16, 2018. I don't have access to the citation so I don't know if the citation specifies if this term is still known/used.

If you check the history you will find that the same 'Mxn' fixed a typo in this page on February 15, 2025.

So, from this sequence of events it is highly likely that the term 'Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl' was included into the Gulf of Mexico wiki page as a result of the user Mxn performing an active search for Aztec names for the Gulf of Mexico, and finding this connection between the term an the gulf by searching on Wikipedia. This information did not come from recent news about the term being used by natives.

I can find no evidence of native people referring to the gulf of Mexico as 'Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl' more frequently or at all. I can find no mention of this becoming viral in Mexico.

I find it highly unlikely that:

  • User Mxn added an obscure Aztec term to the Wiki page two weeks ago

AND

  • This same obscure Aztec term coincidentally began being used by Mexican natives, and this trend became popular enough to be noticed by foreign media but not by Mexican media

More likely....

  • Mxn actively looked for a term and updated the English wiki
  • Someone read the English wiki, thought this would be a nice story, made the meme

And this concludes my little investigation 🧐

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Haha, fantastic. Thank you for your work. ALAS! We have uncovered a deeper mystery! 🔍🔎🔎🔍🔎 🤔

Is this the book? https://annas-archive.org/md5/fb8569c405991107b987fda775f49ba2

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes, but that version is in German. That website also has one in English: https://annas-archive.org/slow_download/24154814bfe1e676d79509c3db1f74a4/0/0

Let's see...

Woah, interesting. The author is José López Portillo. I thought he shared the name with a former Mexican president, but, nope, the author is a former Mexican president.

The title of the English version is a bit different, but the text appears to be the same. It is a novel, and I can find no mention of the gulf of Mexico or of Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl in this book. To me it looks like a mistake in the citation.

The claim appears to come from this text (citation 1): https://www.scribd.com/document/703207646/Dioses-prehispanicos-de-Mexico-mitos-y-deidades-del-panteon-Fernandez-Adela-1992-Mexico-D-F-Panorama-Editorial-9789683803061-cbee5

Unfortunately, that book does not contain references nor is it stated where this claim comes from.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Cuando quieras! 😁

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

Damn, look at you being awesome!

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I unironically support this

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I’m practicing the pronunciation right now.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

I've said for decades that in order to cope with an insane world, people take up unjustifiable positions. Some people turn to God, others believe in causes, or whatever.

Mine is that Wales isn't real and your language is a psyop. I'm sorry.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How are you coping with the over abundance of vowels?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago

When every letter is a vowel, none of them are.

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